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    Default Kudos to NJ firefighters

    Just wanted to say congrats on a job WELL done. This had the potential to be VERY bad.


    Fire injures a worker, forces wide evacuation in Wanaque;
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    WANAQUE - One man was injured and homes in an eight-block area were evacuated Monday when a chemical reaction sparked a stubborn fire at an aluminum powder manufacturing plant, a borough official said.

    The fire was confined to a mixing machine in a cinder-block room at the U.S. Aluminum plant on Fourth Avenue and was under control shortly before 9 p.m.

    The unidentified 34-year-old employee suffered facial burns and was flown by helicopter to the burn unit at St. Barnabas Medical Center in Livingston. There were no other injuries, said Borough Administrator Thomas Carroll.

    Twenty evacuated residents were staying at the Haskell School on Ringwood Avenue late Monday. They were evacuated from their homes as a precautionary measure on the advice of the Passaic County Health Department, said Carroll. They were allowed to return at 8:45 p.m.

    "They just told me there was a chemical leak. I was just getting ready to eat dinner," said Audrey Smith of Fifth Avenue.

    "I didn't smell anything. There was nothing unusual," said Maureen Murray of Fifth Avenue.

    The fire at the huge plant, on a dead-end street in an industrial park, was reported shortly after 2 p.m., Carroll said.

    The injured worker was pouring a mixture of aluminum powder and alcohol into a mixer when a chemical reaction occurred, sparking the fire, he said.

    One-hundred-forty firefighters from Ringwood, Butler, Pompton Lakes, and a Passaic County hazardous materials team responded to the plant. The Paramus Fire Department also sent 1,000 pounds of dry fire-suppression chemical to the scene to assist local firefighters.

    Carroll said the fire at the plant was the third in six years and that borough officials plan to review the company's safety record thoroughly .

    U.S. Aluminum is based in Flemington.

    A woman who answered the phone at the headquarters said no one was available to comment on the fire. The company manufactures aluminum powder and pigments at its Haskell plant, which has 30 employees.

    The plant is listed as a "major facility" under the state Department of Environmental Protection's Bureau of Discharge Prevention, which means it has a combined capacity of 200,000 gallons or more of hazardous substances, including petroleum products, or 20,000 gallons or more of hazardous substances other than petroleum products.


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    Good job guys.
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    Post I missed it

    I was apparently...as they say, out of position! Wanaque adjoins my town....although they are in a different county and have a different mutual aid system. I'm working an overnight shift...and didn't even know about the incident until I read it here! LOL...thanks Temptaker! I better turn the volume up on the scanner...
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    Wow, not only did ya miss the fire, but Temp "scooped" you as well!

    "There There NJ.....it will be OK, things like this just happen sometimes"

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    NJ: not surprised to see the mutual aid situation hasn't changed much in up there since I left in the 70's. I actually was ordered to watch a house burn, awaiting the home company's permission to play, after we were called to a working house fire just across our township line.

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    NJ

    I must have known that you were... umm... temporarily unavailable. Just doing my part to keep the troops informed.

    Actually I thought you didn't post it cause your from Jersey.

    Grit

    You are kidding right?

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    Not at all. We actually sat in front of this house and watched the fire take the first floor before the other company arrived.

    That's just one example. And I was just a FF up there 1976-1978.

    We'd have units responding right past other houses to get to areas of their districts, without the one being passed even being notified. I saw chiefs request companies for mutual aid that were farther than companies that they were feuding with.

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    Grit,

    What dept.?

    Where was this alleged house?
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    The alleged house was in Piscataway.

    I was with the alleged Rutgers FD at the time.

    Don't think either has survived.


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    Just a stone's throw away from this incident in Wanaque, NJ is an old DuPont plant that dealt with explosives. The ridgetops are lined with bunkers from old storage facilties...and they have a facility carved into the mountain.

    One of my favorite areas for brush fires. You never know what unexpected "behavior" you'll find there. Sent two firefighters to the hospital in '88 after the smoke turned yellow...and the wildland crew doesn't wear SCBA's.

    What a swell place.
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    Originally posted by Grit
    The alleged house was in Piscataway.

    I was with the alleged Rutgers FD at the time.

    Don't think either has survived.

    That is really unfair to indict the entire New Jersey fire service for an incident that occurred when you were running with a college fire department that at its prime was running with a mini-pumper.

    Quite frankly, I wouldn't blame any FD for not wanting the college volunteers to participate.
    The above is MY OPINION only and not that of anyone else. I am not representing any organization in making a post here!!!!

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    I didn't say whether I was career or volunteer.

    I didn't say where else I served.

    I didn't say it was just one incident.

    Oh, and thanks for getting me straight on the apparatus. I must have been dreaming on all those calls I ran on the class A pumper.


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    I think it's really fair to indict the NJ fire service for that type of stuff. It happens everywhere. The NJ fire service is ripe with home rule over proper and sensible response. There is more apparatus per capita in NJ than anywhere else in the world. There was a pretty extensive expose of the fire service in Bergen County a couple of years ago. They detailed how much apparatus there was and how much duplicaiton of service there was. Of course, the fire service up there went nuts. Of course they did, they were busted! It's no different in Morris County. In the western part of Morris County, in some of the most rural areas, areas with very few buildings of large size or height, there is a plethora of aerial apparatus. Everybody has one. Why? Because everybody has one.

    From an economic standpoint it is a monumental waste of money. But start talking about regionalization or even a County Fire Coordinator and you are ostracized.

    I know of places where mutual aid pacts are set up between depts. that like each other, even if it means driving through another town to get to the fire. And that town is not dispatched.

    I investigated a fire years ago in a multi-family dwelling in North Jersey. The fire is in town A. Town B has a firehouse 50 feet from the rear door of this building. Town B was not due uintil the second alarm. Pathetic.

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    If you were career at Rutgers, you weren't a firefighter, you were a fire safety specialist!

    Originally posted by Grit


    I didn't say whether I was career or volunteer.

    I didn't say where else I served.

    I didn't say it was just one incident.

    Oh, and thanks for getting me straight on the apparatus. I must have been dreaming on all those calls I ran on the class A pumper.

    The above is MY OPINION only and not that of anyone else. I am not representing any organization in making a post here!!!!

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    Default Failure to remember the mission?

    Now don't get me wrong, things here is PA are just as bad, but this disagreement between Grit and no_name I believe has to do with confusion over or completely forgetting the mission of the fire service.

    Is it still a mystery why our career brethren don't consider us as professional equals?

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    from George Wendt
    ! It's no different in Morris County. In the western part of Morris County, in some of the most rural areas, areas with very few buildings of large size or height, there is a plethora of aerial apparatus. Everybody has one. Why? Because everybody has one.
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    George, it really is sad, and everyone wonders why taxes are so high in this state.
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    Originally posted by Kyle Wickman
    George, it really is sad, and everyone wonders why taxes are so high in this state.
    I don't wonder. I know. I pay almost $8000 per year to live in a town about 15 square miles, about 15,000 people with three fire companies municipally funded with six engines, two ladder trucks, two rescue trucks, a brush rig, a tanker and four ambulances. There basically isn't enough manpower to fully man all of this apparatus at the same time. Unbelievable. And if you talk against the FD, you are treated like the antichrist. This is only one example. There are a dozen others.

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