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    Default And the toll for a funeral procession is...

    $377.

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    2 offer to pay funeral-car toll
    By Gary Taylor
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    June 15, 2002

    OVIEDO -- Two people came forward with cash on Friday after they learned Oviedo
    was billed $355 by the Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority for
    Wednesday's funeral procession of firefighter Shane Kelly.

    Police Chief Dennis Peterson said he was outraged by the bill and would have
    paid it out of his pocket if others hadn't responded. Although the two people
    -- who asked the city that they remain anonymous -- shared the cost, many
    others offered to pay.

    "My phone was ringing off the hook," Peterson said.

    But expressway authority Executive Director Harold W. Worrall, who lives in
    Oviedo, said he isn't nearly as concerned about the money as the public-safety
    hazard created when law-enforcement officials closed parts of State Roads 408
    and 417 for the procession.

    "They created a public-safety hazard rather than preventing one," Worrall said.
    He said his agency did not have adequate notice of the procession and did not
    know of plans to close the expressway.

    Peterson said the authority had been told.

    The roads were blocked, he said, to protect those in the 5-mile procession and
    the officers escorting it, as well as anyone trying to enter the roads while
    the procession was passing.

    There were no incidents or accidents during the trip from First Baptist Church
    in Oviedo to Woodlawn Memorial Park in west Orange County, Peterson said.

    "If it happens again, I'd do it again."

    There also was debate about the timing of the bill.

    Worrall said the bill was rushed to the city at the request of Oviedo's police
    department, but Peterson said the bill was requested only after his department
    received a phone call saying the money was due.

    The police department was billed for all vehicles except those marked as law
    enforcement or public safety.

    "By law, we can't say, 'Let people go free,' " Worrall said. "We cannot allow
    free travel on the expressway."

    Peterson said that following a traffic crash at a toll plaza Friday, everyone
    was allowed to pass without paying the toll.

    "That was a public-safety issue," Worrall said. "What they did was create a
    public-safety issue."

    Worrall said he would wait for emotions to calm down, then meet with officials
    to discuss use of the expressway for future events.

    Kelly and Dr. N. Donald Diebel Jr. were killed Saturday when a tractor-trailer
    hit them as they were trying to help victims of a car crash on Florida's
    Turnpike.

    Gary Taylor can be reached at gtaylor@orlandosentinel.com or 407-324-7293.


    Copyright 2002, Orlando Sentinel

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    Wouldn't the funeral home know that the turnpike would charge a toll and let the fire department know up front?
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    Angry unbefreakinleivable!

    Dal...if anybody deserves to be called a mutt, its Harold Worrell!

    Neuter the mutt who had the unmitigated audacity to hand the city of Oviedo a bill for the funeral procession of a firefighter who was killed doing the job...serving his fellow man! I wonder if Firefighter Shane Kelly was killed on that very stretch of roadway? Whenever the FD or any public safety agency has to respond to an emergency on "their" toll road, the responding agency should hand that mixed breed Worrell a bill for services rendered to make "his" roadway safer.

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    Let's hope it was just a miscommunication. But if that was the fact, you think they would have waived the bill.

    We covered a stretch of turnpike at a department a worked for previously. We never paid tolls while we were on a call. However, the turnpike authority wouldn't pay a dime for services rendered. In fact, the 'pike went through several fire districts, but with only TWO on/off ramps, several of the departments had no direct access to the roadway. One department finally got permission to install a locked gate so they could get access to the turnpike, since it was over 15 miles either direction for them to get on. Getting that one gate just about took an act of Congress.

    Makes you wonder where these people's priorities are...
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    Default Re: unbefreakinleivable!

    Originally posted by Captain Gonzo
    Whenever the FD or any public safety agency has to respond to an emergency on "their" toll road, the responding agency should hand that mixed breed Worrell a bill for services rendered to make "his" roadway safer.
    I agree. And they should tack on fees for operating in a hostile environment. A type of combat pay, so to speak.

    Want to wager that Executive Director Harold W. Worrall....doesn't pay tolls?
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    This is like when I worked for the local EMS and we were called to a ritzy gated community for a heart attack. The guard stopped us in the ambulance and would let us in until he checked with his supervisor to see if it was alright. The supervisor was away from his desk. We waited an extra few minutes. The guard refused to call the residence that we were going to. Talk about a lack of common sense. I wonder if he working at an airport now.
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    the charging of a toll to a funeral procession of any sort, but especially one for a fallen firefighter (or any other emergency responder for that matter), is absolutely, totally unbelievable. it is one of the most sickening things i have read in a long time. the person in charge of this toll-way should be fired. nothing less is acceptable.

    this should be a no-brainer.

    just my thoughts anyway.

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    Originally posted by larry cook
    This is like when I worked for the local EMS and we were called to a ritzy gated community for a heart attack. The guard stopped us in the ambulance and would let us in until he checked with his supervisor to see if it was alright. The supervisor was away from his desk. We waited an extra few minutes. The guard refused to call the residence that we were going to. Talk about a lack of common sense. I wonder if he working at an airport now.
    Larry
    to bad you were not in a fire truck, you could have easily driven through the gate without damaging the vehicle. with an ambulance it would have been a little more difficult depending on what type of gate it was. a fire truck would have been better.

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    This completely sucks, but I believe it, and I believe it'll happen again somewhere...

    I remember some years ago that the Pennsylvania Turnpike had a policy of charging emergency vehicles that used the Turnpike to respond to emergencies if they weren't on the turnpike itself. They'd give you free use if the incident was on the pike, though, but...

    At that time, they also refused to allow fire or EMS (anyone but their road crew and State Police) to close the road, or even individual lanes of the road. At that time, they'd put apparatus on the shoulder and make pump operators work the panel from the jump seats with traffic whizzing by a few feet away just to say that "the road is open." They've injured and killed a few fire & EMS personnel over the years that way (the most recent death I know of was a few years ago outside of Lionville, Chester County), but I doubt that that really bothers the Turpike politicos, as long as their precious road is "open."

    I bet they'd charge a funeral procession triple, just because it's slow.

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    Wow... I'm stunned. I had no idea that anyone would even consider stopping an emergency vehicle to pay a toll.

    I find it even more ridiculous that they are worried about creating a public safety hazard by closing the road. What do they think they are doing when they stop the emergency vehicles on route to a call? Or letting the traffic go screaming by an MVA? Maybe they think Firefighters and EMS aren't really people, ya that's it... Superhero's. FF/EMS can catch a speeding bullet with their teeth, take the impact of a speed car with one thigh (and walk away), oh let's not forget the most important thing... can put out a 4 alarm blaze with no PPE using nothing but spit!

    NJ I think you are probably right that Worrall doesn't pay tolls.

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    Actually, guys, I've driven on that road before. That bill was probably for one car.

    We have a toll road here, but we don't pay for traveling on it. We have an electronic pass in each truck, but they just keep tabs on how often we're on it. If someone at the state sees this, we're in trouble...
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    I am Gonzo Here.....

    But truck6alpha may be right...I am also driven that road.

    The Toll system in Florida is screwy.... From my house to the Airport is 43 miles. I pay $3.25 each way if I take the Suncaost parkway. On the Parkway they call animal control to pick up road kill or catch stray and then they charge them tolls!

    How stupid....
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    As far as I know, we only have one toll road here (in BC), and it is a highway. There is another route you can take to get to the areas, but it takes several hours longer to get there. The toll is $10.00 each way. Emergency vehicles don't have to pay, probably because of the location. If there was an MVA on the highway, anywhere close to where the toll booth is, they would probably use a helicopter to get to it, because it takes about an hour and a half to drive (at 130 km/h) from the nearest city from either direction. They would dispatch regular crews

    There are a heap of toll roads in Sydney Aus. They really have a great road system down there, far better then ours in Canada. If any of our Aussie friends read this thread I would be interested to know if they have to pay to use the roads. If they do, if they just circumvent the toll by going around it. The M4 (don't know if the other toll roads have this as well) has access just before and after the toll booth. You can actually get off, drive around it and then get back on.

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    Being a Military Guy, the following caught my attention right away:

    They created a public-safety hazard rather than preventing one," Worrall said.
    He said his agency did not have adequate notice of the procession and did not know of plans to close the expressway.
    I have to wonder "adequate notice" really means by his definition. I am suspecting something in the line of needing to be notified of a road closure 3 weeks in advance of Kelly's death, in triplicate and notarized, with a perview from the Minister of the Interior (or US equivilant), plus a 200 page essay on why this event should take place, signed and sealed by an English teacher from somewhere in Idaho. This is starting to sound like a skit from Monty Python.

    Wonder what Mr Worrall's office would have done if one this had been one of his people who died in the accident?

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    But expressway authority Executive Director Harold W. Worrall, who lives in
    Oviedo, said he isn't nearly as concerned about the money as the public-safety
    hazard created when law-enforcement officials closed parts of State Roads 408
    and 417 for the procession.
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    Can we say Sh*&head..

    About the whole not letting Fire close the road, yeah my
    ***, what are they going to do when you park 2 trucks all the way across the street, Move 'em? Not without a severe *** kicking.

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    I agree, it's about the most dispicable thing I've heard in a while. This man was killed in the line of duty and all the turnpike authority can think about is money.

    We are also required to pay a toll here on our turnpike, even if we are on emergencies that happen on that roadway. One of our trucks was stopped with a pt in the back. The driver couldn't find the toll card we use, and had no personal cash. He said he was stunned when he realized they were actually going to make him call a batt chief to come and pay the toll! Finally, someone with a modicum of commen sense let them pass.

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    Woof Woof Woof...

    "By law, we can't say, 'Let people go free,' " Worrall said. "We cannot allow
    free travel on the expressway."


    Worrall being the director of the OOCEA...

    Found this on another newsgroup I enjoy:

    The thread began on someone who was stuck for 1/2 hour at 0100 on the NY Thruway when it was closed for an accident and all traffic diverted off a tollgate that only had one operator on duty:

    > > To spend half an hour to wait for the privilege to pay to exit that
    > > road at that hour - am I being unreasonable in asking for tolls to be
    > > waived?
    >
    > They never do that on the PA Turnpike. The OK Turnpike system should have
    > done that with the mega traffic jam I was in at Vinita, OK because an
    > accident closed I-44 outside of Tulsa. One toll lane to get back on a 5
    > mile backup of cars and trucks.

    They do that all the time in the OOCEA and Florida's Turnpike. Tolls were
    waived statewide for major wildfires in 1998 and for Hurricanes Floyd and
    Irene in 1999. And the OOCEA waived tolls at one toll plaza earlier this
    year when a fiery accident occurred in one of its lanes.

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