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    Default Old Crusties Remember

    Remember the first rig you ever rode?
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    Not quite that old. 1975 Mack CF canopy cab. The last rig we had with a manual transmission.
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    She was one he!! of a pumper.http://www.readyshopgo.com/areas/pth...0apparatus&s=1
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    1973 American LaFrance...only thing I would change woulda been the yellow color...
    I would...but no!

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    Is that a 48' International? We have one here that runs beautifully. It is actually in the fire museum (sp), it comes out for parades, and events. During the winter we cover it in Christmas lights and use it as part of a 1 Million light display for the burn fund. It's completely mint

    If I can find a pic I'll post it. Truly a beautiful sight.

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    Actually the rig is fire engine red, bad lighting caused the discolorization (my boo boo). These engines were produced by Segrave during the 1960's. It's offical name was Seagrave Saftey Sedan Van Pumper. Detroit purchased 67 of the 91 produced. We called them "The Covered Wagons". There were other variations of this same model produced. Almost all these engines had a Waukashaw (not sure of the spelling) diesel engine and they were screamers. We had the sister tiller rig with the flip up tiller bucket and removable steering shaft and it had the same front cab and engine. In my humble opinion, these were the best operating pumpers (problematic wise) I ever worked on in my 30 years of firefighting. We used these rigs into the mid and even late 70's.
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    My first ride was a 1972 Mack CF-600 pumper, Engine 6. It had an automatic tranny, 500 gallons of water and a 1000 GPM Waterous
    pump. I loved that rig!

    One night tour, back when I was a probie, the Captain had Engine 6's driver take me out for driver training. There was an EMT refresher going on, using the classroom at Station 2. A friend of my Captain, who was Lieutenant in the neighboring town of Hudson was taking that course along with him. My Captain decided to play a joke on him. He went to the phone and asked the dispatcher to punch in the tone for Station 2's vocalarm system (Fire dispatch was at our old HQ then), and "report" a working fire for his buddy's favorite watering hole and that we were to respond on the 2nd alarm mutual aid. His intention was to pay back the Lt. for a pratical joke he had played on him earlier

    We were in District 2 when Dick asked me to pull over onto the apron so he could use the head. Timing is everything....the Captain made the announcment just as Dick was walking through the door. Dick ran back outside and said "move over kid...Paul and Jerry's is burning and we respond on the 2nd !!! Jeeez, I gotta p***!"

    Dick literally pushed me out of the driver's seat and we tore up Pleasant Street code 3. The Captain came over the air and requested that we return to "the Hill" as Station 2 was called.

    Dick replied "Cap, repeat your message.."

    "Return to Station 2."

    When we got back, it was all explained to us!
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    You want me to remember THAT far back? Well, it could have been one of three engines. A 1960 FWD pumper, a 1954 Dodge Powerwagon brush unit...or the 1955 Ward LaFrance pumper.

    Somehow I think it was the Dodge Powerwagon...as a rookie, I probably didn't rate riding on the Class A pumper right away.
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    A 1974 American LaFrance Aerial. But when I came South, it got even better- at my new job I became the driver of a refurbished 1956 ALF aerial. Open cab, unsynchronized transmission with that funky shift pattern (3 down, 4 up, 5 over and up), Q on the bumper, hand-screw jacks with one you had to crawl under the front to get to, and the best thing of all- no power steering (insert grunting here). If you had no upper body strength, you weren't turning anywhere fast.

    Alas, she's in a neighboring community now being used to drill wells (figure that out). Why can't we get a wistful smiley here?
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    Talking FireLT1951 - How did you fit in that lil' thing ?

    This one was my first with my old department. It was a 1956 ALF.It was retired in 1989 and sold to the Bismark Arkansas F.D..
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    1970 maxim pumper was my first piece of apparatus the department I joined in 1975 replace their apparatus with two pumpers and one tiller truck all three were open cab the same year and make with truck having a allison automatic transmission
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    1974 (I think) Pirsch - 5 speed standard transmission, gas engine, 1000 GPM, 500 gallons on board. Really nice truck - wish I could have bought it when it was traded in. Children & houses are expensive - sigh.
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    Default The prize winner so far!!

    Gentlemen--I think I may be a winner here--1937 Leyland Tiger with a 101ft turntable ladder by Merryweather(A.K.A "The Meccano Set) I was trained on this wee beastie in 1962 just after joining the job-- and after passing the required course in T.L. training ,was issued with--one set of gauntlets, one set of goggles(it was open cab) and let loose on the unsuspecting public with the aforementioned implement. This appliance had done stirling work right thru the "Blitz" in WW2--I was also conversant with a set of ladders supplied by the enemy--a 101ft ladder Metze Magirus mechanical--very unforgiving! This was supplied by Metze before hostilities commenced in 1939. I still have nightmares about "Leaping Lena" a "Emergency Tender " about the same vintage--crash gearbox and the steering capabilities of a pig on roller skates. If only the poor populace knew what was coming to their rescue!!!
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    F52,

    There was a seat right behind the front cab although we never used it. We rode the tail board.

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    My first truck was a 37 Seagraves with my old vollie department. I'm sure it was a good truck over the years, but it was getting pretty tired by the time I came on.

    It was an absolutely SOB to drive. You damned near had to pull the wheel with a foot braced on the dash to get it to turn. That was if you were moving. If you were stationary, forget it. You would need a pinch bar and a cheater pipe to move the steering wheel. More than one person had a "religious experience" while they were driving. A couple passengers did too. It all depended how deep the experience was for the driver. There were many times that the siren was reported as "screaming" as they went by, but it was later determined it was the guys on the truck doing the screaming.
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    The oldest apparatus I ever worked with was a 1939 Dodge. The pump stiil worked pretty well but we just used it for the reel of 2 1/2" hose on the back. Its a pretty cool looking little truck. It has a "double clutch" 5 speed standard transmission in it, the single flashing red light on the top and a federal siren. I was the last person to drive it before she was taken out of service a few years ago.
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    A 1956 Mack heavy rescue nicknamed "The Iron Maiden". Mack B-42 chassis with a custom body made of 3/16" rolled steel. Top speed 61 MPH (on a 2-mile downhill stretch of the PA turnpike, freewheeling in neutral). Armstrong steering system (think about it... ).

    The old girl served the department for 40 years and was sold to a collector in the Northeast in 1997... d*mn, I miss that truck...
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    I'm not a crusty old jake, I'm not even in the fire service LOL, but this is the one and only firetruck I've ever ridden in. I volunteer for the Calgary Firefighters Museum Society and we took this 1928 Gotfredson to a 5 year old's birthday party. It sure did get alot of attention (honks, waves and smiles from young and old alike!) on the way to and from the party!!!! This particular truck didn't do service in Calgary, it was built in 1928 and went into service in Saskatchewan in 1929. So I have you all beat so far hehehe
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    Default This moves the goalposts!

    I obviously did not read the rulebook, silly me thought that the Fire Appliance had to be on the "run" and to be used in anger! But---in 1976 London Fire Brigade put on a "Spectacular"--it was named "Fireshow '76" ,in it was a restored ,manually drawn, six man operated hand Pumper --from the Brigade museum. This was built before the great Fire of London in aprox 1664. I certainly did not ride it , you can't--but helped to pull it around the arena. O.T.Y
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    Another 1970 Maxim. (Engine 32) There was also a 1970 Maxim 100' Tiller Truck (Truck 3) that completed the set of 3 identical pieces of apparatus but I can't find a picture of it. The trailer of the ladder truck is still in use behind a 1994 PemFab Tractor. It was an awesome trio.

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    My first rig was a 1964 Van Pelt built on an International chassis. (I'm old,, but not THAT old-- anybody read Andy Rooney on the charms of older women?). We still run it. Our newer rigs are also Van Pelts-- I think they are also built on International chassis, a 1974 and a 1984. Our ongoing restoration project is a '33 Mack that once served at the Napa State Insane Asylum...

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    1974 Mack CF, old Providence Engine 2. My uncle was an Capt. there and used to take me for rides. As far as responding, 1978 American LaFrance, a real man's fire truck!!!!!
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    Default Your toys and my toys

    If only I knew how to drive this "poota" as well as I operated the Brigade machines I could show a picture of a guy with black hair(instead of silver)--Me---In the cab of a 1955 101 Dennis straight 8 petrol driven Rolls Royce engined Pump Escape,turning out of H28 Woodside in 1962 to a fire drill. This particular toy went like a scalded cat-- Slowed down like a turtle in glue and stopped like a machine fitted with cardboard brakes --Fading like you wouldn't believe--very disconcerting when you are second out of the station and closing fast on the Pump on a callout!! Various cry's of "Jesus Christ!" and "Mum, I don't want to die" seemed to help,in retarding the progress of this "runaway,portable looney bin"--I.E. I never actually hit anything with the P.E(the turntable ladder spearing the double decker bus is a different story!) I plead the the 1st, 5th, and any other amendment, you guys plead, to stop telling the truth,anything to keep my a## out of the wringer!!
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    1951 Bruco GMC, straight 6 gas, armstrong-steering, starter button on floor. Youngster in his early-twenties jumped in to drive - reported the battery was dead - when we hooked her to the pickup I drove up in, she started so easy! ... Later I asked him how he tried to start her - "Turned the key" was his reply. I told him he was just too young to start that truck! We traded poor ol' "Grandma" for a 1972 tanker-pumper that is our first-out truck now I've warned the young'ns to NEVER run the siren on her - don't want anyone to know 45 IS the top speed!!

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