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    Default East Coast Smoke and Canadian Fire?

    Let's see if we can get this back on track.

    I saw the news late last night and the weather showed the dip in the Jet Stream and the dry heated air from the Canadian Fire. My son's are in New York/New Jersey Area and I am gonna see what they have to say about the smoke where they are.

    Have not seen anything about the Canadian Fire on here. Anyone got any scoop on how long it has been burning and how much and homes endangered?

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    Left for work this morning at around 8:30. When I walked out, I could smell the smoke, Very strong. Made riding the bike to work just a little fun (cough, cough)
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    The article is now posted in the Firehouse.com news section. Apparently they have 11 large wildfires...no control. My scanner is just loaded with "smoke in the area" calls from residents. If we have a "real" fire locally...it will be hard to discern where it is. I stopped at the fire lookout tower yesterday...and it was quite remarkable....the area was totally shrouded in smoke. All we can do is respond to every call...and decide whether it is Canada smoke or an actual fire in the area.
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    Will the brothers from Canada please knock it off I live in the mohawk valley (NY)and it looks like the end of the world here. Just kidding , but I will tell you one thing Im sure glad I don't have to fight those silly things. I will take a structure fire any day . Good luck
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    The smoke started here around 4 PM yesterday where every dept in the area recieved calls regarding "outside smoke conditions". Saw visible, moderatly heavy smoke, smelling like brush. However, found no source. We had three total last night in different areas of town. In all, there was probably several dozen reports of smoke in the county (Westchester County, New York, just north of New York City).

    After about a half hour of this going on, the county transmited a National Weather Service Bullitan regarding the Canadian forest fires.
    After learning this we had to "Blame Canada" on all three alarms.

    Here it is now, 11:00am, the next day and there is a visible haze in the air, with a moderate odor. One dept nearby got called out regarding this. Luckily not us..... yet?

    Hopefully the media bringing this unusual occurance to the public will deter people in calling 911.

    I read on another post that this smoke drifted down as far as New Jersey. Wonder how far it will go?

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    Default Smoke from Canada

    I'm 9 miles west of Boston and the sky here is an odd yellow that no one has seen before. They say it's haze from the wildfires

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    An exerpt from our local fire weather forecast today, Sunday.
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    SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
    SUN JUL 7 2002

    ...SMOKE FROM CANADIAN FIRES STILL MOVING ACROSS THE REGION...

    NORTHERLY WINDS ALOFT ARE BRINGING SMOKE FROM THE FOREST FIRES OVER
    NORTHERN QUEBEC PROVINCE SOUTH INTO OUR REGION. THE POINT OF ORIGIN
    IS NEAR JAMES BAY...WHICH IS ABOUT 700 MILES NORTH OF OUR FORECAST
    AREA. VISIBILITIES ACROSS THE REGION WERE REDUCED TO AROUND 3 TO 4
    MILES. IN ADDITION TO THE LOWERED VISIBILITY THERE COULD ALSO BE
    A SLIGHT SMELL OF THE SMOKE. THESE CONDITIONS WILL LINGER THROUGH
    THE REST OF TODAY AS WINDS ALOFT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THE SMOKE
    THROUGH US.

    THE WINDS ALOFT SHOULD BEGIN TO SHIFT TO A MORE NORTHWEST FLOW AND
    THIS SHOULD HELP TO PUSH THE SMOKE OUT OF THE AREA.
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    So that explains why I was smelling smoke yesterday. I had relatives smell it in other areas of CT also.
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    From CNEWS, Canada
    Forest fires rage in northern Quebec

    MONTREAL (CP) -- A forest fire raging in the northern Quebec region of Nemiscau, near James Bay, gained momentum Saturday and the resulting smoke from it and 45 blazes in the province spread as far south as New York state.

    The Nemiscau fire has eaten up 600 square kilometres of forest since it began July 2, and all access roads to the area have been closed to through traffic. The fire is moving at a pace of 50 metres per minute.

    The nearby village of Nemaska, home to about 500 Cree aboriginals, has been completely evacuated. An offshoot of the Nemiscau fire had reached to within 800 metres of the village Friday, but the fire had retreated to two kilometres away by Saturday evening.

    Smoke was so dense the provincial forest fire protection service cannot fly its planes through the region.

    Visibility in Toronto was reduced to three kilometres Saturday, prompting many calls to Environment Canada looking for an explanation.

    "I had someone call me to say it (the smell) was a welcome relief from the garbage," said Alain Boisvert, a forecaster at Environment Canada, referring to a city strike now in its second week that has resulted in garbage piling up all over the city.

    Steve McLaughlin, a meteorologist with the U.S. National Weather Service in Albany, N.Y., said a patch of smoke about 300 kilometres in diameter, hovered Saturday over the cities of Watertown, Syracuse and Binghamton before heading south toward New York City.

    "The skies will be very milky, very hazy, across New York and southern New England," he said. "It may seem like it's getting cloudy, but all the milkiness in the sky is smoke."

    The Quebec forest fire protection service considers the situation critical, with no rain expected until at least until Tuesday.

    "There are many, many fires that are out of control, about 11 in all," said spokeswoman Chantal Drapeau. "The forecast is calling for nice weather through Tuesday, maybe even Wednesday, and they are even calling for stronger winds as of Sunday. So none of this helps us."

    The 11 fires that are considered out of control are all north of Lac St-Jean, between the Manouane Reservoir and Lac Albanel, Drapeau said.

    On Friday, 500,000 Quebecers had their electricity cut when the Nemiscau fire came too close to a Hydro-Quebec electrical tower, forcing the utility to shut it down and re-route power from other areas.

    There is a fire ban almost everywhere in the province north of the St. Lawrence River.
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    Arrow The odor is great...if you're a wildland FF.

    More from the NWS
    SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

    NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY

    158 PM EDT SUN JUL 7 2002

    ...SMOKE FROM CANADIAN FIRES STILL MOVING ACROSS THE REGION...

    NORTHERLY WINDS ALOFT CONTINUES TO BRING SMOKE FROM THE FOREST
    FIRES OVER NORTHERN QUEBEC PROVINCE SOUTH INTO OUR REGION. THE POINT
    OF ORIGIN IS NEAR JAMES BAY...WHICH IS ABOUT 700 MILES NORTH OF OUR
    FORECAST AREA. VISIBILITIES ACROSS THE REGION HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO AROUND 2 TO 3 MILES. IN ADDITION TO THE LOWERED VISIBILITY THERE
    COULD ALSO BE A SLIGHT SMELL OF THE SMOKE. THESE CONDITIONS WILL
    LINGER THROUGH THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON AND THIS EVENING AS WINDS ALOFT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THE SMOKE THROUGH US.

    THE WINDS ALOFT SHOULD BEGIN TO SHIFT TO MORE OF A NORTHWEST FLOW
    AND THIS SHOULD HELP TO PUSH THE SMOKE OUT OF THE AREA. EXPECT
    CONDITIONS...AND THE AIR QUALITY TO IMPROVE LATE TONIGHT AND MONDAY MORNING...EVENTUALLY RETURNING TO NORMAL MONDAY AFTERNOON.
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    Could smell it all across Long Island, as well.

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    The smoke haze is covering much of Central PA. There have been numberous calls for Smoke Investigations in the area.

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    I find myself wondering if there is a marked increase in respiratory related EMS calls due to the smoke?

    Curious.

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    I noticed it about 3:30 when we started washing out rig. It also smelled a little plasticy to me, but then again, I haven't really smelled to many wildfires, lol. I called a few of the other stations because we hadn't been notified of anything and I was busy watching the Old Timers game at Yankee Stadium instead of the weather channel. It was about 1615 hours when we started having engines banged out on 'outside smoke investigations.' Which I didn't mind at all being I was detailed back to my ladder co. Just as Mdepas said, definately gave the sky an interesting color, just too bad there wasn't an eclipse, wouldn't of needed to much exposed film the sun looked eerie and you could look right at it. Again this morning I was up in Putnam County which borders Westchester to the north and could smell it. The entire river valley was clouded with smoke.

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    Jolly Roger...

    I was on duty today, no respiratory distress calls in our 3 districts. The haze is in the upper levels of the atmosphere. Looking at the sun this morning and all through the day reminded me of the first Star Wars movie...the view of the twin suns of Tatooine. The view through my sunglasses was a bright orange ball in a yellow sky...very strange!
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    I just got home, rode my bike. Took about 1/2 hour. Other than it being hot and muggy, it was fine. The smoke seemed to have moved on, for the most part. We'll see what it is like tomorrow.
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    The problem with a lot of those fires we get in Canada and the ones in Quebec in particular is that there is very few if any roads in the area and can only be accessed by smoke jumpers and fought with air tankers, choppers and the like. The cost of fighting these large fires is enormous and if they are not theatening property or very valuable timber the are left to burn themselves out. As we are finding out from the experts that the forest growth in the past 20-50 years has not been let burn as in the natural cycle like it use to, there by promoting heavy undergrowth and a buildup of heavy fuel loads. This in turn causes bigger forest fires and bigger headaches for everyone involved. I think we (man) has ceated these problems to some extent by to much meddling in the natural cycle but what do you do correct it. I don't have the answer, hope some one comes up with one soon.

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    I live in North Jersey. Doesn't smell or look any different to me! lol!

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    Originally posted by George Wendt, CFI
    I live in North Jersey. Doesn't smell or look any different to me! lol!
    You're leaving yourself too open on that one!
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    You're leaving yourself too open on that one!

    (Pssst! That was the point! It's called satire!)

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    Originally posted by George Wendt, CFI
    You're leaving yourself too open on that one!

    (Pssst! That was the point! It's called satire!)
    I know you were doing it on purpose...I guess I'm just above making fun of people who live in a garbage smelling area.

    Now, if you come up to the fresh country smelling air of New England, then you will be able to smell the fire and see the difference in the sky.
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    MONTREAL (AP) - Firefighters battled dozens of raging forest
    fires in Quebec on Sunday, as smoke and haze from the blazes
    blanketed the northeastern United States and stretched as far south
    as Washington, D.C.
    New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania advised residents with
    respiratory and heart conditions to stay indoors. The New York and
    New Jersey alerts were statewide. Pennsylvania's covered 20
    counties.
    At least 85 fires - 10 of them out of control - were burning
    Sunday, the Quebec forest fire protection service said. They have
    destroyed more than 250,000 acres of forest.
    With no rain expected before Thursday, the fires will likely
    grow, the service spokesman Eric Santerre said.
    Lightning and dry conditions sparked the fires that have been
    burning since July 2 in two separate regions southeast of James Bay
    between 200 and 400 miles north of the U.S. border.
    More than 500 firefighters - some in planes dropping water -
    worked to control 45 fires in a region above Lake St. Jean about
    150 miles north of Quebec City, Santerre said.
    "For part of them we are doing nothing for now because they are
    too big," he said. "These are really big fires. We are using
    firebreaks, sprinklers, hoses and motorized pumps."
    In the Nemiscau region south of James Bay, about 40 fires were
    burning. Some 75 firefighters dug firebreaks and poured water on
    the flames, but dense smoke prevented use of aircraft to drop
    water.
    The fires in Nemiscau have led to the evacuation of 630
    inhabitants in two Cree Indian villages, Nemaska and Chisasibi.
    Propelled by strong winds from the north, the fires have created
    a plume of smoke and haze stretching from Michigan to Massachusetts
    visible as far south as Washington, D.C., U.S. meteorologists said
    Sunday.
    Downtown Baltimore experienced haze and a smoky smell Sunday,
    said meteorologist Dewey Walston of the Sterling, Va., office.
    The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection advised
    residents of 20 counties, especially those with respiratory
    conditions, to stay indoors until Monday afternoon.
    The New York Health Department urged those with respiratory
    conditions to stay indoors and turn on their air conditioners to
    reduce exposure to the smoke.
    "It's quite evident something is in the air," department
    spokeswoman Kristine Smith said.
    The plume of smoke, which blanketed Montreal, also affected air
    travel in New York.
    "All of our major airports are reporting smoke and haze and
    visibility restrictions of two miles," said David Wally of the
    National Weather Service in New York City.
    Wally said the plume probably will shift north and east by
    Monday morning, moving off the New England coast.
    The smoke had moved from north-central Pennsylvania to the
    southeastern part of the state by Sunday afternoon, said Peter
    Jung, a National Weather Service meteorologist in State College,
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    As of Sunday night, a weather spotter in western Maine had
    reported the faint smell of smoke, and the haze was expected to
    spread across the state throughout the day on Monday.

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    Originally posted by Adze


    I know you were doing it on purpose...I guess I'm just above making fun of people who live in a garbage smelling area.

    Now, if you come up to the fresh country smelling air of New England, then you will be able to smell the fire and see the difference in the sky.
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    I read on another post that this smoke drifted down as far as New Jersey. Wonder how far it will go?
    This is part of an article from the Washington Post, Monday July 8th;
    Huge plumes of smoke from Canadian forest fires swept over the Mid-Atlantic States yesterday, bathing the Washington region in an eerie dry haze, hampering pilotís visibility and filling the streets of Washington with the scent of burning trees.

    Although I didn't smell the scent, yesterday here in our part of MD was a very hazy day due to the fires in Canada.

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