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    Question Hydrogen Explosions???

    Has anyone heard of this rather dangerous practice....and could they explain it to me....I'm a little dense!? Since when do FF's provide pyrotechnics???
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    City looks into July 4 balloon blast

    CARLSBAD, N.M. (AP) - The city is investigating a hydrogen
    balloon blast that injured a firefighter and caused extensive
    damage to a fire truck on the Fourth of July.
    "Anytime we have an on-the-job injury case or injury to
    citizens or property damage, we conduct an aggressive
    investigation," City Administrator Jon Tully said Tuesday.
    He said the city will look at a number of issues.
    The accident occurred Thursday evening, when fire department
    personnel started filling tethered latex balloons with hydrogen and
    prepared to raise them as a kickoff explosion to the annual
    fireworks display.
    Firefighter Craig Andrews was among those who were knocked to
    the ground by the blast. He was treated for trauma to the ears at
    Carlsbad Medical Center and released later that day.

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    Definitely a new one on me. Have these guys ever watched the news reel footage of the Hindenburg?
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    Not to play devil's advocate here...but maybe the press "assumed" that hydrogen was used to fill the baloons. Remember, these are the same folks that tell the public that "firefighters wearing oxygen tanks valiantly went into the burning building to save the family trapped by the inferno"....
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    Default HYDROGEN?

    Why would they use hydrogen? I am thinking that someone got their lines and elements crossed when they wrote this report. I am pretty sure that they would have been using helium for that sort of thing.

    I think Capt Gonzo is on the right track here and that the Press mis-quoted or assumed hydrogen was used. I just can't see anyone using hydrogen for the purpose of blowing up balloons, as CJ said
    Have these guys ever watched the news reel footage of the Hindenburg?
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    I looked at several stories on the Carlsbad Current-Argus website and it seems clear that they were using hydrogen filled ballons. Here are some excerpts:
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    By Stella Davis/Current-Argus Staff Writer

    Carlsbad Fire Chief Mike Reynolds said he had planned to begin the fireworks display by exploding three tethered hydrogen-filled latex balloons measuring 6 to 8 feet in diameter.

    However, his plan went awry.

    "There must have been static in the air, Reynolds said. "I touched one balloon as we prepared to get it up, and it exploded. We scrapped setting off the other two.

    Witnesses at the scene said Reynolds and three other firefighters were knocked to the ground. The blast knocked off the fire chief's helmet.

    The blast from the hydrogen-filled balloon blew the hubcaps off the Fire Department's pickup, blew out the two side windows, shattered the windshield and buckled the hood.

    "The big bang seemed to be a crowd-pleaser, Reynolds said.
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    I've been asked to do hydrogen ballon demonstrations on a number of occasions and I have always refused for just this reason.

    The city is launching an investigation to determine "if these devices are appropriate."
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    Thanks for the extra info HM604. I see what they were trying to do, but have to agree, THAT'S INSANE!

    Ya it would look real cool when it works out right, but the consquences of when it goes wrong is just too great.
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    I bet the Incident Report makes interesting reading!
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