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    There was a post on an EMS listserv today with a link to a story and picture of a combination fire truck ambulance unit being deployed in Japan. I remember seeing this type of unit at a EMS or fire conference here in the USA a few years ago. Anybody know which manfacturer makes this in the USA or Canada?

    Here is the URL to the story and photo for the Japanese unit:
    http://www.reuters.com/photo_gallery...type=humannews

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    This link to the Japanese fire truck / ambulance unit story and photo may work better:

    http://www.reuters.com/photo_gallery...type=humannews

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    Thumbs down Dont like them...

    I dont like them. Lots of logistical reasons. They
    are popular with the city of Sandy, Utah. Here is
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    http://www.sandy-city.net/Fire_Department/index.html

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    Thanks for the info. I found exterior and interior pictures at:
    http://www.sandy-city.net/Fire_Depar...station_32.htm

    Does anyone on this forum have any direct experience using them?

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    Mic: you could also look at the new Trident Rescue Transport by E-1. It's their Steet Warrior ambulance with a tank and pump. If your looking for something a little smaller than the full size rig.

    http://www.e-one.com/press_releases/street_warrior.html

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    Mic, look under the General EMS Forum. We had a discussion about the transport engine concept. There is also a gentleman from a volunteer department in Stafford County, Virginia who had one, but later retrofitted it due to they weren't using it for transports. E-One did make them, but I believe they discontinued them.

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    The Globe, AZ Fire Dpartment has had a Trident since 95 - it's been used for quite a few transports, but very little firefighting. As with many "innovations", it was found to be big on promises, and short on capability.
    Fiberglass forever!! (they won't let us have leather)

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    Micgunderson, I have seen apparatus built by Pierce, Seagrave and E-1 as pumper/ambulances. All of them were custom made no off the shelf stuff. The first one I saw was for Kent Washington that was at least 10 years ago. Rumor has it Pierce is building or just finished one for Kodiak Alaska. I have no experience with them but the concept is unique.
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    I've had a few run-in's with one. Ogden City (Utah) FD uses one (Engine-Ambulance 5, also called a Pumpulance). I cannot speak for them, I work for a different department and don't ride an ambulance. OFD runs 5 engines, 5 ambulances and 2 rescues. 1 engine and 1 ambulance are combined. OFD is a very busy EMS department and busy fire department. The pumpulance runs EMS transports for two cities in the area besides areas of the unincorporated county. When E/A-5 gets an EMS call outside the city, that takes out an ambulance and an engine. The engine looks similar on the outside as the one pictured in the link to Sandy City Utah FD. You can only enter at the Engineer spot, the Captains seat and the passenger rear side. That means only 3 doors instead of 4, no big deal though. What is poor in my mind is taking an engine company OOS in a busy department to transport an EMS patient.
    Just my views as I've dealt with the Pumpulance...

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    sandy city has some nice firehouses, they seem a little empty though
    " truck till the casket drops "

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    Better to be a little empty then having City floats in them...

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    BF443 is right about Kent, WA having transport capable engines. They bought something like 6 or 7 Pierce Lances in the 80's with raised extended cabs and stretchers across the back. The rigs are still around, some of them in front line service, some in reserve. It's my understanding that they were very rarely used for transporting patients, if ever. The rigs are big, but no bigger than your typical 10 man cab rig that tons of departments run. Like everything else, it's a concept that probably has merit in certain situations, and doesn't in others.

    For what it's worth, Kent's just bought some new Pierce Quantums that do not have stretchers in the cab.

    Here's a small pic of one of the Lances.

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    Mark, only because I posted nearly the same response in the same thread on the EMS General Forum, to a similiar question like your "I think its poor to take an engine OOS in a busy dept. to transport a EMS patient."

    For some of us it would be quicker to transport then wait for a bus to arrive on the busy days. Also, I see no difference then transporting an EMS patient then being tied up on a auto alarm. With the exception of department attitude. If you do EMS to do EMS then I can understand the "tying up an engine on an unnecessary medical call" compared to those of us who do it because it is vital to our public, vital to our survival, and a great PR tool. I can't extremely discouraged by dept.'s who are doing EMS but no at the level it should be. I'd rather go to a medical call, then the morning burnt toast auto alarm at one of nursing homes or what have you. My dept. doesn't run a transport engine, but I believe we could make one work. Basically because if we started running a bus, we would have to split a crew off other apparatus.
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