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    Post Aging Air Tankers

    WASHINGTON (AP) - After two fatal crashes and with still-raging
    summer fires, lawmakers are criticizing the Defense Department over
    its delays in turning over some excess planes to battle wildfires.
    Six years after Congress directed the Pentagon to cull its fleet
    for aircraft that could be converted to firefighting tankers, the
    first replacement has yet to arrive.
    "It's time for the Defense Department to act," said Sen. Jeff
    Bingaman, D-N.M., who wrote the law authorizing the Pentagon to
    sell excess planes to companies that fly firefighting missions for
    the Forest Service.
    The average age of the 32 firefighting air tankers with
    manufacturing dates on file with the Federal Aviation
    Administration is 47. The oldest rolled off the assembly line in
    1943, while the newest is 36 years old, according to FAA data.
    "We badly need to replace some old stuff," said Ed Stone,
    branch chief of aviation policy for the U.S. Forest Service.
    Debra Bennett, a Pentagon supply systems analyst, said the
    military doesn't have any excess aircraft now and hasn't since
    1996, when Congress directed that they be offered for sale to
    firefighting companies.
    Only after each branch of the military - Army, Navy, Air Force,
    Marine Corps, National Guard and Reserve units- rejects the chance
    to claim a plane does it move to the excess category, Bennett said.
    "It is a rare occurrence that an aircraft gets to that point,"
    she added.
    In contrast with "surplus" planes that no longer have any
    value to the military and can be sold publicly, excess planes are
    classified as still having some military value.
    The Forest Service owns no planes. It says it's cheaper to
    contract with private companies, which then are responsible for
    maintaining and flying the planes. This year the service is using
    45 planes from 10 contractors.
    The severity of fires this year has forced the tankers to fly
    more than double their usual number of hours. Through July 24, the
    tankers had logged 7,658 hours in the air. In most years, they fly
    5,933 hours all year and average 3,451 hours through July 25.
    Three people were killed in June when the wings separated from a
    C-130A being used to fight a fire in California. Two weeks ago, a
    PB4Y-2 broke up and crashed while fighting a Colorado blaze,
    killing its two-man crew.
    The planes were 46 and 57 years old, respectively.
    Investigations into those crashes are ongoing and it is unclear if
    age played a role.
    "The type of flying we do is harder on an airplane than going
    from New York to San Francisco," said Bob Wofford, a pilot and
    trainer for Neptune Aviation out of Missoula, Mont., and chairman
    of the Associated Airtanker Pilots. "If we're going to have a
    viable airtanker fleet in the future then the government is going
    to have to step in and provide some help."
    Forest Service officials, contractors and pilots all say the
    issue with old planes is not one of safety. With proper
    maintenance, old planes can be flown safely.
    But newer aircraft can drop more retardant, cost less to
    maintain and service, and don't use the leaded aviation fuel that
    is becoming scarce, said Bill Broadwell of the Aerial Firefighting
    Industry Association.
    Contractors say buying used military aircraft is the only way
    they can afford to upgrade their fleets. Agriculture Secretary Ann
    Veneman earlier this year sent Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld a
    list of planes of interest to Forest Service contractors. They
    include a Navy submarine hunter called the P-3A and two models of a
    military transport called the C-130B and C-130E. The C-130B has
    been in production since 1959 but is still seen as a step up.
    A Forest Service task force six years ago set a goal of
    replacing all the existing tankers with 41 military planes by 2016.
    Its timetable called for the first 11 of those aircraft being in
    operation this year.
    However, the Defense Department took four years to write rules
    for the sales. By the time the rules were done, the initial
    congressional authorization had nearly lapsed. Congress then
    extended the act to 2005 and the Defense Department said it needed
    to rewrite the rules, even though the wording remained the same.
    That process is ongoing.
    In May, 23 House members wrote Rumsfeld, urging him to expedite
    the sales. They have not received a response.
    "I'm not very optimistic that it's ever going to happen," said
    Hank Moore, co-owner of TBM Inc., which does aerial firefighting
    for the Forest Service.
    On the Net:
    U.S. Forest Service: http://www.fs.fed.us
    Defense Department: http://www.defenselink.mil
    Associated Airtanker Pilots: http://www.airtanker.com
    Aerial Firefighters Industry Association: http://www.afia.com

    (Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press
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    Sounds like the FED EXCESS thing is a dead end street. I know how about buying new aircraft from the manufactors, what a noval idea. That is exactley what some western State Fire Dept have and are doing. Maybe it is time these deep pocket Contractors need to start doing. If they want to play, they got to pay.

    Iether that or the USFS is going to need to get into the Aircraft business and put those contrators out on the Street.
    Front line since 1983 and still going strong

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