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    Default Webteam sees more and more negative attitudes.

    No sarcasm...no fooling around...Why is this? Do we need to take a good look at what's being posted, and the trends of negativity...and ask ourselves why? Is it due to the events of the past year? Is it because 9/11 is approaching? I urge you to watch over our Brothers and Sisters at our home stations as this forum is just a slice of "reality"...for lack of a better term. I know most of us were miles or states away from Ground Zero...but perhaps we are still to coming to terms with the reality of what we witnessed.


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    Am I missing something? How is the webteam involved in this? Are you part of the Web "Team"? Or were they calming someone down recently?
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    Oh geez, no. I am not part of the webteam. LOL

    Increasing negativity was mentioned by the Webteam in another thread.
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    The specifics were a noticeable number of threads of late have turned into personal battles, folks instantly jumping on someone posts that differ from theirs, and just an overall negative tone in some threads where it doesnt really seem necessary.

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    Yeah, but is it really more than in the past? Especially when certain unnamed booted members were around?
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    I don't know what's going on either. For example..in the thread regarding CB radios, the person wanted info about buying their own radio to use on the fireground. I offered what I thought was good, sound advice...simply stating that the FCC, (no less, his Chief) might take issue with that.

    The guy claims I "got in his face" with my reply. What's with that? I was just trying to save him some possible legal problems and fines....and he makes some rude comment about me "not getting any."

    I'm perplexed. I thought it was a pretty civil response...and he takes it as some sort of "bash"...
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    Kristen...you are FAR from holding the record...but don't cause the Webteam headaches by trying to beat it!

    It seems that most of the people who are getting frustrated or whatever lately are new to the board. Most of them seem to have less than 100 posts.
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    Default It's not just here at Firehouse...

    Originally posted by StayBack500FT
    Why is this? Is it due to the events of the past year? Is it because 9/11 is approaching?
    I have noticed negativity on Firehouse but, until you mentioned it, I really didn't think about how negative everyone has been at the station. No one wants to come to meetings or train, fundraising and public relations activities have almost stopped all together due to a lack of participation, and the general attitude and disposition of everyone has gone completely downhill over the last several months. Why is this? I wish I knew. Is it due to the events of the past year or the fact that 9/11 is approaching? Maybe, but it's kinda hard to tell when nobody will say what's on their minds. I guess I have kinda noticed it with neighboring departments as well, considering most all of the trainings and activities we would normally be doing with our mutual aid stations have not taken place in quite a while.

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    I agree with Stayback.............I think sometimes we dont look at the post/threads objectively enough and there are some people that ask for advice and then dont like the response they get. For that I a befudled as they came on here to solicit information from us. If you dont like the answers, then dont ask the questions. Most of us who post have been around awhile and have a significant amount of expierence and try and give people the right advice, especially the youngsters.



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    I too have noticed this unfortunate trend. I don't what to attribute it to, but it is definately on the rise. ESPECIALLY with the rookies here on the forums. I have thought our old friend larry was back a couple of times here lately!! LOL! We need to try to explain things here to the new people so they don't get bent out of shape. A lot of guys already do. I think that some of the new problem children are also newcomers to the fire service, and don't necessarily understand that this is a virtual firehouse, with all that that entails.
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    On a recent post about fire trucks I got slammed by a dealer because I talked about bad experiences with a truck. I let it roll off my back. I don't know what is going on with the posts but I sense an apathetic attitude in a lot of the fire service. All things go in cycles and the fire service is no different. We used to have regional fire schools that attracted 120 students that now have 30-40 at best. Itís not the classes or the instructors that cause the low attendance, allot of folks just donít want to go. Some firefighters meet the requirements and thatís it, no more.

    Since 9-11 our department has picked up several junior members and I am glad to have them but the 20-40 year olds are not there. Thatís typical for the county departments. When you ask people in this age group to join they say ďno wayĒ. I wonder what has put such a negative attitude against the fire service or volunteering in general, in this demographic. The 20-40 year olds are missing from many of the volunteer organizations in my area. I hope the cycle for volunteering is on the upswing and continues for a long time.

    Sorry for the rambling, back to the subject. I have noticed that members with negative attitudes either work it out with a little help from the members of the department or the person leaves the department. It will probably be the same here. I enjoy the forum and the discussions here on the various subjects. As someone said above if we all got along something would be wrong, but I can disagree and still get along, some cannot.

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    I just attribute it to the vast numbers of people who have signed on over the last year. How many registered users have come online in the last 12 months?

    Out of so many new users, there's going to be X amount of people who make personal attacks. With a rise in the number of users, the numbers of negative people will rise too.

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    Many of us come into these forums to LEARN. The student AND the teacher must exhibit patience. Anyone who says that he is a crusty old jake does so with the understanding that we will teach if the student will listen. Sometimes it is not commmunicated in the most politically correct terms, but being in the fire service means that you are going to get your chops busted once in awhile. It has happened to me many times over the years.
    You can have a spirited debate or discussion without name-calling, gender bashing and garner some real education from it.
    The problem is: too many are like me; I won't fire until fired upon! I will not bring into question the heritage of someone, unless they question mine.
    If you want my advice, I will give it. Sorry if you don't like my advice. But without knowing me as a person, don't assume that I will allow anyone to attack me without some kind of verbal retaliation.
    Strict enforcement of the terms for posting is the answer. The new posters have not taken the time to read them by the tone of some of their posts. Everyone is entitled to one mistake, but if you aren't smart enough to learn from that first mistake, then you aren't smart enough to participate in these forums.
    Oh and it wouldn't hurt to grow a little thicker skin. Where I come from, they call it crust. Who wants some?
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    Default Maybe.....

    It might have something to do with the fact that firefighters and EMS personnel are some of the most opinionated people on the face of this Earth. Not that that is a bad thing. We need to have an idea what's going on in the world and know how it's affecting us. However, like posted previously, there are a lot more new users, myself included. When you get a bunch of highly opinionated, highly stressed, low paid,...(I could go on and on) firefighters from all over the country and even outside of the country together, you'd be a fool to think that everyone thinks exactly the same and they're not going to "duke it out" a little. Some of the threads do get personal. But, that's what the WebTeam is here for. To moderate.

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    Where else can you get ideas from New Zealand' Australia' Canada' and the US O O forgot Great Britain All of us are not the most Politically Correct or the best in elocution,but hope that we can get the thoughts across without taking too many swipes at each other personally. Though I sometimes enjoy the (banter)

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    I think the stress of 9/11 and all the subsequent stuff (white powder scares, warnings about potential terrorists getting a hold of uniforms, vehicles, etc.) probably affects us all more than any of us would like to admit. However, I think a lot of these reactions aren't limited to the fire service. As a society we have become too sensitive about a lot of things. We have to tip toe around everything now in the name of political correctness. I saw a sign on a church today that says "We ask for criticism but we are looking for agreement" and that pretty much sums up what we're seeing.
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    That's true, Kristen. They have more important things to worry about. Like finding food to eat.
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    For what it's worth, we are firefighters. Not known for being the most PC or the cleanest folks on the block. Now and then we let loose, more so at the firehouse than what I've seen here.

    I had made a suggestion of a thread called "The Kitchen" for the MembersZone, but we could use one here. A place where we can let it hang out a little, without any babysitting, (foul language excluded) . As I said in my original post;

    Like at the firehouse, If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen!

    What say webteam? How about it? You could even transfer threads that get too hot into The Kitchen .

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    Post Frustrated?

    Adze,just tagged on to this one--you mentioned that you think that most of the "Frustrated" are newcomers or have less than 100 posts. Some of us are less than 100 posts(just cos I shout down a well 100 times don't mean I am having a intelligent debate-but that I just like the sound of my own voice)--some of us are newcomers--some of us have seen this all before,yes, before the advent of computers,teleprinters,we took "running calls"in a 24hr manned watchroom, manually tested fire alarms in major risk areas. And now am just sitting here smiling, and watching what you newbies get up to.
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    Wink Its all my fault....

    Its all my fault! I told some of the "back East crusties"
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    their flakey heavy leathers. They got all mad, I got
    phone calls from their lawyers...yadda, yadda. We
    settled out of court.

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    Good replies...

    I know I'm as guilty as the next guy for jumping on the aggressive response bandwagon. I realize part of it is the venue itself. I mean c'mon...it's beautiful...someone you don't know says something you don't agree with..and you can blast them without repercussion as long as you stay within the terms of conduct. How many times does a person have that opportunity in "reality"? Perhaps some of our frustrations with the job get vented here, as this is the only place we can comfortably do it? I don't know...but when the webteam sees an increase across the board...beyond the old lime-green/red bickerings...perhaps we have a growing problem. Again, what happens here is only a small sampling of "real world".
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    I am positive I was being negative about some things, but my negativity was positvely focused on a good outcome.

    Negative attitudes positively annoy me. Which I suppose leaves me with negative feelings to the issues involved. I am positive this happens because I feel so negative about them.

    My head hurts about now and I need a BEER.

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    Yes, Kiwi my friend...beer is always a positive note to end on.
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    Default Re: Its all my fault....

    Originally posted by boukca
    Its all my fault! I told some of the "back East crusties"
    that our progessive California fire helmets rule over
    their flakey heavy leathers. They got all mad, I got
    phone calls from their lawyers...yadda, yadda. We
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    Damn straight it is all your fault!
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