Thread: In Training
08-10-2002, 01:47 AM #1
- Join Date
- Aug 2002
- AnnArbor, Michigan
Just wondering if theres any tricks to the trade you guys or gals would like to pass down to the upcoming generation. I start class on the 22 of Aug. so im pretty excited. Also any informational links or resources are more than appreciated. Thanks alot!
08-10-2002, 04:32 PM #2
It is very simple. Eyes and ears open...Mouth going only when you have a question for your training officer. Go the extra mile. If you are afraid of something (like climbing that big stick) swallow hard and do it. Help out those in your class that maybe need a little encouragement. Be a Leader (not a "know it all")...Enjoy yourself . Welcome to the best damn profession in the world.
08-10-2002, 05:45 PM #3
- Join Date
- Mar 2001
- Marietta, OH USA
Welcome! Hope you have much success and a safe and long career. Listen to your instructors and when you finish you'll be amazed at what you've learned...but it doesn't stop there! You need to listen up when the "old guys" start telling stories they can be a wealth of knowledge. Stay in shape! Most firefighter deaths occur due to medical problems. Remember most of all that there are over a million brothers with you for you are about to enter a real brotherhood.
08-10-2002, 10:16 PM #4
- Join Date
- Mar 2002
- Waynesboro, VA, possibly relocating to Virginia Beach in the near future!
The day you think you know everything there is to know about fire is the day you should quit before you get someone killed. Never underestimate fire. Never let the fire get behind you, unless you're headed toward the door. Ears open, mouth shut.These are my opinions, not those of my career department, my volunteer company, or my affiliates. And by the way, I'm not a Junior.
Buy me a drink, sing me a song, take me as I come 'cause I can't stay long.
Johnny Greene: 2/3/45-5/2/04
Forever in our hearts
08-11-2002, 05:24 PM #5
- Join Date
- Jul 2002
WFDjr1 said most of my thoughts on the subject. Keep yourself up-to-date on new equipment in your department and refresh yourself often on what's there already. Put your imagination to work and think about all the "If this happens, I need to do this action with this tool or appliance". If you can't figure out what needs to happen or what you need, then ask some of the more experienced firefighters in your station.
Most of all, DO YOUR BEST AND DO IT SAFELY !!!
Best of luck to you.
ArthurAnother lifetime volunteer proud to serve my community.
08-11-2002, 06:35 PM #6
- Join Date
- Oct 1999
- Why? It's not like you're going to visit me! But I'm near Waco, Texas
agree with what everyone else has said. but add be honest with yourself. know when to stop before you get tired so you don't get hurt or hurt someone else. good luck!NREMT-P\ Reserve Volunteer Firefighter\Reserve Police Officer
Experts built the Titanic, amateurs built the Ark.
08-11-2002, 07:36 PM #7
- Join Date
- Oct 2001
- the heartland, USA
Congratulations, and welcome aboard! I agree with everything said so far, I only have one addition: Donot embarass your brothers and sisters! You are in the publics eye, always remember that! Don't do something stupid so that the headline of a newspaper reads "FIREFIGHTER........." We have enough of that already. Other than that, enjoy it, it's a wonderful ride!
08-11-2002, 07:41 PM #8
There always seems to be one clown int he academy that wants to spout off and be the "know it all". You are there to learn, you gotthe next 20+ years to be vocal. Eyes and ears open, mouth shut. Here are some extras-
1. BETTER TO BE AN HOUR EARLY THAN A MINAUTE LATE.
2. Always keep your uniforms clean and boots shined. Clip off
those "irish penants" (strey strings) from your uniforms.
3. Keep a small paperpad with you for notes.
Now your big score...from www.eatstress.com-
The purpose of this article is to keep you from repeating the errors others have made keeping them from gaining a badge.
Just because you passed the physical agility doesnít mean you are ready for the fire academy. Whether you agree or not, the physical agility has been watered down to be politically correct. Departments know this. So, the training division is going to put you through the wringer to make sure you can do the job before you go on line.
Showing up at the academy is not the time to start getting ready. You need to be in shape and hit the ground running. I often get calls from candidates asking what do I do now? They have been let go in the academy. Itís tough enough getting a job. Keeping it can be a challenge. If you are let go by one department, it is going to be difficult if not impossible to get another department to take a chance on you.
ďThe worst mistake is to have the best latter at the wrong wall.Ē Dick Chaney VP USA
Itís not just the physical part. You have to pass every segment of the academy including the final test to demonstrate you can function in the field. Itís not uncommon to have a group of candidates let go in the final two weeks of the academy, because they canít master latter throws, repel or operate the equipment. More than one candidate has been let go because they couldnít start the chain saw, operate the jaws and struggled on the drill ground in the final test.
Nothing will **** of the training staff more than you telling them a better way to do something. How you did it in your FF1 academy, reserve or other department. The only task you need to focus on is how they do it in this department. Training divisions are their own kingdoms. This is not a democracy! You have no time or opinion.
It can be devastating being let go, especially if you have already been through a college fire academy. You have been dropped as your classmates are getting dressed up in their class A uniforms (about the only time you will ever wear it, except for funerals) heading for their badge ceremony.
It will start with instructors from the academy taking you aside and pointing out the problems you might be having. If you donít improve, they will meet with you again with other members of the training staff and document the meeting. The writing is on the wall if things donít improve. Candidates that get to this point start to panic. This can affect their other skills. Things they already know and have mastered become difficult. Instead of dropping back and taking a different mindset, they start to panic and withdraw. Too many candidates in this situation would rather go below and fall on their sworn before they will ask for help. This is the time to ask for help, extra training, and check in with those who have gone before them. I usually get the call after they have they had taken the option to resign instead of being fired. My first question is why didnít you call me earlier? Well, I didnít think it was that bad.
Here are some of the incidents where candidates were let go:
A candidate shows up at an academy over weight even though he knows they will run 3 miles a day canít. Result. They run him into the ground the first week.
Another candidate is given an order to get a screwdriver from the toolbox. After several minutes at the toolbox, he admits he doesnít know what a screw driver is. Hard to believe. Oh, I forgot, they have dropped the mechanical aptitude from the written and added in psych questions. Result: No mechanical ability caused this candidate a badge.
Even though this candidate had been through two academies, he starts having trouble with latter throws. He has done this successfully 100ís of times. But, now he starts doing a mind screw on himself. It gets worse. He is counseled. Then again. Result: Booted from the academy. The good news is we worked with this candidate, regrouped, he got in better shape, worked out a reasonably explanation accepting the blame why it happened and would never happen again. He was picked up by another agency and is wearing a badge.
Another recruit knew he had to lose weight for the academy. He did not reach his goal. His weight caught up with him trying to hump hose up the tower with a SCBA. Result: Got his marching orders because he didnít have the wind to complete this tough academy. Good news again. Regrouped, lost the weight and convinced a department with an easier academy he would be an asset.
Trying to come back and rejoin this candidateís academy too early after a drill tower accident only made the injury worse. When the recruit could not keep up and refused to accept the opportunity to go through the next academy was let go. Another one of those, why didnít you call me first beauties. Even a lawsuit did not regain a chance at a badge.
A candidate did call me when he was having problems repelling off the tower. He would get upside down just before the net. A little mind drill exercise corrected the problem.
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