Thread: IAFF Boycott
08-16-2002, 12:04 PM #1
- Join Date
- Aug 2002
I am a member of the IAFF and I am both enraged and disappointed with the action that was taken by my organization. This is truly a sad day for the entire fire service. Once again, politicians used this one funding event to divide the fire service but significant blame must be shouldered by the IAFF. As I understand it, Tom Daschle inflamed the delegates by saying that President Bush slapped the American Heroes in the face. Given that action, it apparently was like a feeding frenzy as though raw meat was thrown into a sea of piranha. Then it was pure mob mentality.
Unfortunately one small man 'seized the moment' to grandstand and make a big name for himself. The result is a black eye and divisive action that serves in no one's best interest. What does the Oct 6th Memorial Service have to do with any of this? The answer is nothing! What impact does this have on the NY families that already committed to attend? Does anyone care? Shouldnít those family members receive the nations sorrow from the President? Didnít the NFFF just spend a great deal of time assisting FDNY? Where was the consideration in that? Did anyone stop and say -- wait the IAFF President is on the Board of the NFFF and we sponsor the event??? If a strong message is not sent and followed by strong IAFF attendance, then the IAFF should not play a role or have a rep on the BOD of the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation!!! Dont just say it, prove it. Everyone will be watching. If its a sham, the IAFF will be seriously damaged as being truly credible other than for its own selfish interests. I dont believe that will be the case. I truly hope and believe that the IAFF will learn from this very serious misfire.
Furthermore, blame should be focused in all the areas. Why is President Bush getting all the blame when he made it clear what he would and would not accept in the bill?
What about all those legislators that added their own special interests that resulted in the Presidents action?
Dont you think that they knew the risk and perhaps it was orchestrated to achieve this very result? There are not many things/actions done in DC that are by accident.
It seems to me that most of the $5 billion is not for us. If we should be arguing anything we should be arguing for full funding to meet the Fire Act grants NOW as a substitution for all these other $5 billion. Then if the President doesnít sign it, go all out for continuous demonstrations in DC. ALL OF THESE POLITICIANS SAY THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE - PUT THEM TO THE TEST - ASK THEM TO DIRECT ALL OF THE $5B TO THE FIRE ACT GRANT. THEN BOYCOTT ALL LEGISLATORS THAT DO NOT SUPPORT AND THE PRESIDENT IF HE DOES NOT SIGN.
The day after, I have been hearing that the News media got the wrong message, but with this quote how can the news media be blamed for 'getting it wrong', especially from the one who made the motion:
Excerpt Reuters News - Firefighters and survivors will be urged to skip the Oct. 6 event in protest, said R. Michael Mohler of the Virginia Professional Fire Fighters Local 774.
Mohler made the boycott motion before about 2,000 union leaders convening in Las Vegas for the IAFF's first national conference since Sept. 11.
"The president has merely been using firefighters and their families for one big photo opportunity," Mohler said. "We will work actively to not grant him another photo op with us."
To get it right -- we should be picketing both the Whitehouse and the Capitol for them ALL to get it right and show us that they support us! Damn the politicians for playing this deadly game with the lives of living firefighters and desecrating the memory of those that made the ultimate sacrifice. Shame on the IAFF for letting them be used as this very destructive political tool. Everyone knows its all about upcoming elections and we should be aware of that. As I understand from my fellow members, we did know that and we moved on it anyway. You canít tell me that our leadership is not very well aware of politics. President S. has been in the legislative field for too long and is very well ordained to this maneuvering.
I will also have to say that I am dismayed as there has been an undercurrent with our local discouraging attendance at the NFFF memorial service and recommending attendance at the NYC event. A bus has been chartered and filled to go to NYC but no effort to do the same to DC which we are closest. I, as many of you, started as a volunteer then became career. The NFFF service honors all LODD be it volunteer, career, forest service, etc. Several other members said they wanted to make the NYC event a bigger event. I have also been told that no matter what is decided and done regaring PR, that the undercurrent regarding attendance will remain. I am dismayed that there should be any competition. We should try to send as many people and attend as many of the services possible.
I strongly urge the leadership of the IAFF to move us out of this controversy into an effective direction. Its time to muster the fire service into DC, during the week with firefighters and fire apparatus and shut down DC. Stay there a week if necessary and keep this issue in front of the news media and the nation. We deserve to be heard, to be supported and to be remembered - NOT USED
08-18-2002, 10:30 PM #2
If the bill is read, only 2/3's of the money actually goes to the fire service. All the rest is pork for senior democrates and their home states. Honestly, how does 17.9 million to wisconsin for cronic wasting disease benifit the fire service?My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
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08-20-2002, 11:35 AM #3
- Join Date
- Jan 2001
- Johnstown,PA Local 463
08-21-2002, 10:38 AM #4
- Join Date
- Feb 2001
- District of Columbia Fire Dept.
The proposal by the IAFF at their recent meeting in Las Vegas to boycott the upcoming National Fallen Firefighters Memorial Service being held in Washington DC is disgusting, shortsighted, disrespectful, and heartless. The event in Washington is not meant to be a political platform for President Bush. This service is meant to be a memorial service to honor all the firefighters who made the supreme sacrifice in 2001.
This event will help the families of the fallen complete the healing process, it will allow the comrades of the fallen to say good bye one more time and gather with their fellow firefighters and share their grief. What a great opportunity for the IAFC, the IAFF, the NVFC, and the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation to work together and to focus the attention of this country to the courageous firefighters who have been ripped from their families, loved ones, and co-workers in the name of serving their fellow man.
Instead, the IAFF, led by Fairfax County, Va. Local 2068 President Michael Mohler, chose to make a personal, politically motivated attack on the President and his veto of additional Fire Act Funds. This attack is as heartless and cowardly as any act I have ever seen. I have lost what little respect I had for Mr. Mohler and his organization. In fact, if the IAFF continues to support such a sickening act of pettiness and disrespect, then I will be forced to withdraw from the organization. I certainly will NEVER donate money to the FirePac, and cease and desist the contribution of any of my union dues for political purposes.
The IAFF should work to promote the health and safety of its members. The IAFF should continue to fight for good wages for firefighters, and promote the efforts of its members to provide quality service. The IAFF must stay out of its membersí personal lives, including what they chose to do on their days off and whom they support politically.
I encourage all my fellow firefighters to join me in Washington DC for the National Fallen Firefighters Memorial Service. Regardless of any action taken by heartless people who have forgotten what it is like to be pushing the line down a smoky hallway or working atop a slippery roof, I will be there to remember all the firefighters who have fallen this year. We may not have known these fallen ourselves, but we know who they are. They are we, and we may one day be among them. We owe it to them to honor and respect their deeds, which have made us so strong.
08-22-2002, 09:27 AM #5
Never mind the fact that this issue is over...I am interested in your post dc/pg. You say that the union sould stay out of their members personal lives. How about when their members have an adverse effect on fellow union members? I love it when folks start talking about working for safety,pay and benefits...Then complain that the union is involved in politics they dont agree with. Come on thats a cop out. We are all adults. When you go into the voting booth, YOU choose whom to vote for. The IAFF is like any other LABOR UNION when it comes to endorsing candidates. They look for the candidate that is going to support IAFF issues. Not gun control. not abortion etc. I seem to recall that the Union in D.C. recently won raises for its members.
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