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    Post Anyone ever use a pompier ladder or scaling ladder?

    After being a volly for about six years, I will be starting recruit school for a paid FF job soon. One of the things they do is have you climb the drill tower using the pompier ladder. I'm not real fond of heights and not looking forward to this. Just curious if anyone out there ever used them or still uses them.


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    I have seen a pompier, never used one! I understand that the Boston FD drill school uses pompier ladder evolutions as confidence builders. I think I'd rather climb a pomp that do the auditorium raise!
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    Having climbed one in fire school, the first time without a pc of equipment and once with a pc of Fire equipment it was an experience I will never forget.
    I would be curious to know if any FD still has them in service on their Trk Co's?

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    We carried them until about '88-'89 when they were taken out of service. Proby school used them until about 4 years ago on the tower to build confidence.

    Most are hanging in the kitchens now, they make great pot racks.

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    Great idea arite, I'll have to work on the wife for that one......hmmmmm.

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    As far as I know, this company still carries a pompier ladder on their tower. They just placed into service a new Aerialscope, and before it went to get the tools mounted, I saw the pompier ladder in the box, waiting to be mounted. So, assuming they didn't throw it out, it's on the tower somewhere ...

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    So, maybe I should have checked the site before I posted. Go here, http://www.progressfire.com/apparatus.html and you'll see it's listed in the description of the Tower.

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    I've seen one on the wall at the training acadamy, but have never used it. How safe are they?

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    Used 'em in Richmonds FTA....What a blast!!!

    I think we used 'em on our trucks till we got those new fangled Quint's...

    Seroiusly, you will do fine....keep focused...and of course, don't look down!!
    Once you actually get going it won't be a problem....Trust me. I am not very happy bout being high up-but when you got a job to do that takes a back seat....Way back!!

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    How safe are they?
    Assuming the rivets, bolts, screws are all in place and they are maintained, they're as safe as the person using them.

    Like any other tool training and practice increase the level of safety. In the hands of an untrained member they are EXTREMELY UNSAFE.

    Next thought. The main purpose of these ladders was for removale of civilians trapped at a window, out of reach of aerial devices. The untrained civilian got on the ladder with the trained firefighter and climbed down. Do the math and remember, they make good pot racks.

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    I used Pompier (hook) ladders for the first 16 years of my career in London UK. I have used them in training to the seventh floor of the training tower and also operationally to gain access to upper floors during rescue operations. I have heard of some amazing rescues carried out with these tools.

    This ladder was removed from service in London just prior to us recruiting females in the mid 1980s because they did not generally have the upper body strength to deal with them at that time Ithe politicians will say different).

    It is the ultimate confidence builder for working at height but don't worry - I was terrified of heights and working with these seemed such a daunting prospect. However, the training I was given in this ladder equipped me to work with great confidence at height. As long as you listen carefully; take it slowly at first and don't even THINK at what height you are - treat each level as the same (well you might hold on a bit tighter above the third level ) - GO FOR IT!! You will be a better firefighter for it without a doubt.

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    Used them in Firefighter One training in 1983-84. We may have been the last class to use them! They are no worse than any other ladder once you realize they're quite sturdy and the hook locks onto the window sill quite well (they're more stable with your weight on it). Actually, crossing a ladder placed horizontally between a window in the burn building and the drill tower was the hardest thing for me personally.

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    Originally posted by Captain Gonzo
    I think I'd rather climb a pomp that do the auditorium raise!
    Gonzo, I have been told that we will be doing the auditorium raise as well. Here they call it a "church dome" raise. No one here carries the pompier ladders on their trucks anymore, I think they are just supposed to be a confidence builder in the recruit school. I'm not sure just how much confidence falling of the side of a drill tower is supposed to give me.

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    I used a scaling ladder in 1987. I was detailed to 4 Truck for the night tour and there was a fire in a rear tenement. I used it to gain access to the 2nd floor.
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    The "auditorium raise"-just the though of doing it again makes me tingle...
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    No one around here carries them and I have never used one personally. I did watch a guy on a Tower Ladder use a roof ladder like a Pompier ladder to make a rescue at an appartment fire not too long ago.
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    We still use them as a confidence builder here. Somewhere around the 12 week of the academy you get to go "up and over then back down" our 7 story tower. In the many many years of doing it, no one has ever fallen. The ladders are not carried on any of our rigs any more, although you may find them on display in many of our houses.

    We do the "church" raise too, and go up and over that too (50' extension) and I find it to have much less "exposure" when you're climbing.

    But let's face it, if you've climbed seven stories on a pompier, then carrying a ton of gear up a steep aerial is nothing. Maybe that's the point they're after.

    Nevertheless, suck it up and go for it. It's an experience not too many people will have, and it does indeed build confidence.

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    The Providence Fire Dept. still uses them in their training academy as confidence builders. Kind of cool to watch.
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    City of Boston still uses then for training. You MUST complete this climb in order to graduate. The Instructors screw with you the entire time you are on the ladder. When you get to the top, you must lock in with the ladder belt and lean waaaayyyy back removing your hands from the neck of the ladder. Just when your as far back as you can get, they shake the ladder to screw with you for the last time. I have done both the Pomps and the Aud. raise. They are only to build up your confidence. Do not sweat it, you'll do fine!
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    Used a POMP twice..once for an attempted water rescue..it's a "beach" with fins, then again to assist venting a boarded up wharehouse. Like Lt said, great pot-holders, ....reduces a persons ......let's say "courage" a bunch. Stick to portables or longies!
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    Used the scaling ladder ( pompier ladder ) in probie school. A GREAT tool for building confidence !
    Almost impossible for it to fall, as it hung from the windowsill....you could swing back and forth on it.
    Over the years some good rescues were made with it.....one of the best in the FDNY was in 1966 (?) using it off an aerial ladder at the Morgan Station Post Office fire.
    It should be a mandatory training tool for all paid departments. It wasn't that heavy and if it is too heavy for someone, then they don't belong in the fire service.

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