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    Hello all I need some help. If you don't mind would you list the starting pay, how many steps, top pay, hours per week and shift. We are about to start going for a new contract and would like to get a general idea what the trend is. You do not have to list your department just the state. Thanks Kyle.

    Our starting pay is for "2002" is $29,533. Top pay after 5 steps is $64,442. We work 42 hour weeks and 10's and 14's shifts.
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    I think that information is listed each year in Firehouse

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    Yes,its in Firehouse...but its not always quite right,judging by what it lists as our pay.It does not take into account,emt pay,night shift pay,parody(sp)with the police,longevity pay,holiday pay.Several thousand dollars when all is said and done.

    That said in Rochester we also work 42 hours,10 and 14's.With everything thrown in I pull in about 60k,with little ot.I don't have a copy of our contract here so I can't tell you the "offical"numbers.

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    Here in Mass. most departments start out about mid-30's and just climb from there. The highest paying department that I know of is MASSPort at Logan Airport in Boston. They start at over 60,000 per year.

    EMT gets about 5%, college will get you about 10%. With switching to the 24 hour shifts a lot of unions gave up shift differentials but some still retain them. Haz - Mat Tech gets about $3,000 from the state plus OT for the state drills.

    Most of us are working 24 hour shifts, or trying to get there, that average out to 42 hour weeks over an eight week cycle. I only know of 2, possibly 3, departments that work the 24/48 shift and all of them are trying to change it.

    I have a question about the 24/48 shifts for those that work them. Is OT factored in after 40 hours? How is the salary based? I see a lot of departments that work this shift but the hourly pay seems really low. Also, is there a push in some areas that work the 56's to switch to the 43 hour work week?
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    Firefighter 6 steps
    $27,865 to $45,488

    Firefighter Driver
    $47,763

    Fire Engine operator
    $50,947

    Fire Sgt.
    $50,947

    Fire Lieutenant
    5 steps
    $54,586 to $56,406

    Fire Captain
    5 steps
    $61,409 to $63,229

    Battalion Chief
    $74,700

    Base salary and 48 hour work week.
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    I work the 24/48 and we are continually trying to change. We do not get overtime after 40 hours. Overtime only comes into play when we are called back or work an extra shift. Our hourly pay is very low, but at the end of the year we've made about the same yearly salary as other departments in our area. However, we put in hundred more hours than them over the course of a year.

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    This is our current Basepay with Holidaypay for 2002. This does include college,longevity,or certificate pay. We also have pardoy pay since where a twin city Texarkana,Ar/Texarkana,TX to keep pay rate equal for both sides...

    Firefighter 6 steps
    Entry -28,264
    Years of Service
    1 - 29,959
    2 - 31,158
    3 - 32,403
    5 - 33,699
    10 - 35,048


    Engineer 4 steps
    Entry 36,098
    Years of Service
    1 - 36,640
    - ------
    3 - 37,190
    - ------
    5 - 37,746


    Lieutenant 4 steps
    Entry 39,633
    Years of Service
    1 - 40,427
    - ------
    3 - 41,235
    - ------
    5 - 42,059


    Batt. Chief 4 steps
    Entry 45,003
    Years of Service
    1 - 45,003
    - ------
    3 - 46,822
    - ------
    5 - 47,756

    We work 24 on/48 off
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    My Department just started to hire Fulltime this summer. There are now 4 fulltimers and the Chief who are paid by the town to suppliment the Volunteers. Mainly our job is to get a truck enroute to any calls while the vollies respond from home. Since there are only 4 of us working fulltime, we usually work 1 one man per 12 hour shift. We work regular 12 shifts totaling 84 hours every two weeks. We are salaried for $19,500 per year and don't get overtime. The Fire Chief is appointed by the Mayor and City Council. I'm not sure what his salary is but I'm sure it's better than the $19,500 we Firefighters get. I also continue to volunteer with the same department so it's like I'm always on shift. Oh, I almost forgot the parttimers. We have about 3 vollies listed as parttime to cover any shifts where the paid guy is unable to work due to illness or training. The parttimers get $8 per hour and only work once or twice a month depending on the need. Since I'm a City employee, I get vacation, sick time and insurance. The Chief is happy because when training falls on someones' day off we don't get paid for it but instead train as volunteers like we have always done.

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    The Federal Fair Laber Standards act is pretty clear about overtime guys, you need to fight this, and its not a bargaining issue, its the law.

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    Ok, here goes
    FF
    36,119 year 1
    40,755 year 2
    44,500 year 3-6
    + 5% every three years
    57,837 at 25 years

    FS
    48,486 if you have two years (minimum to make Specialist)
    62,966 for 25 years

    LT
    52,933-68,522

    CPT
    60,690-74,629

    We work 24/48's w/ an average of 56 hours a week. Federal law allows them to pay us straight time up to 53 hours a week, so every two months (19 shifts) we get a day off. Hope this helps.

    We also get incentive pay for Spec Ops, College, or Master/Advanced FF Certification.

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    our local in Nj just signed our 4 year contract 3.5,3.5,3.75,and 4.0. we have seven steps from 27K to
    66K in the first year topping out at 72 K by year 4. we just started 24/72s oct 1. we also have merit incentive points that are worth $28 apoint. to a max of 200 points $5600 per year on top of base. Fire inspectors and mechanics get $1800 stipend on top of that and emts get $1000.
    If your an FMBA local you can get more info from the salary guide. have you delegate or pres contact the state office

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    hey cellblock i would suggest stop volunteering your time with that department especially for mandatory training. make them pay for you time-you are an employee.

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    Thanks Wrench. I am the Pres for my local. I got the guide at the covention. Our contract is up and we are getting ready to weel and deal.
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    Fire Department City of New York

    Probie $32,724
    5th Grade $34,361
    4th Grade $36,077
    3rd Grade $37,881
    2nd Grade $39,755
    1St Grade $49,023

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    In Carpentersville, Illinois are pay looks like this. Remember we are all FF/EMT-P and Engineers. We crossed train in everything.
    Grade 1 FF 41,854
    Grade 2 FF 45,204
    Grade 3 FF 47,012
    Grade 4 FF 50,077
    Grade 5 FF 52,167
    Grade 6 FF 54,164

    LT 1 56,330
    Lt 2 58,580
    Lt 3 60,927

    We get 10 paide holidays. EMT-P Stipend 1,500 extra. We also get a 5% bonus added to each step of the wage scale for any type of college degree. Associates and/or Bachelors. We only get 8 Kelley Days.
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    FLSA has different rules for public safety (Police and Fire) who work shift work. We work a 56 Hour week(averaged over two weeks) but don't get paid for the full 16 hours of overtime.

    Also, if we take any kind of earned leave, we don't get overtime for time worked over the 56 hours until we make up that leave. Doesn't seem fair to me but it is the law. Bad thing is the FLSA period is three weeks long. Most of us hate putting in any overtime helping to teach classes or attending special classes anymore, especially if we take a sick day or vacation.
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    Sharkie, Anne, and anyone else wondering about the 24/48 schedule, any hours worked over 53 hours per week have to be compensated either as overtime or comp time. We take the money. The FLSA cycle repeats every three weeks, and most places pay every two weeks or twice monthly, so your pay can fluctuate depending on whether you got your FLSA pay or not. We get 26 pays per year - every 2 weeks - so we get two with FLSA compensation, then skip one. Taking a vacation day or sick day, even IOD, means you didn't "work" the full cycle and your FLSA compensation is lost for that cycle. The FLSA compensation shows up on our checks as overtime, because that's what it is.

    Does that help?

    Anne and Cellblock, please look up the Fair Labor Standards Act - it's the law, they don't have a choice on whether they're going to pay you what you earned or not! Oh, and Cellblock, the Garcia Act specifically says that volunteering or being forced to volunteer at your place of employment is ILLEGAL. Please talk to a labor attorney at once! They owe you big money!
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    EdShanks,

    Thanks for explaining the money aspect to me, but I am more concerned about the hours worked per week. I just continue to have difficulty with teh Northeast being about the only area in the country to work a close to normal 40 hour standard work week. I know a lot of departments get Kelly days, reducing you to 48 hours per week, but there are a hell of a lot more that do not get them.

    Many of us here in New England work 24 hour shift variations for an average of 42 hours per week. If you do work the 24 hour shifts it averages out to about 92 shifts a year that you are scheduled to work, not deducting vacation and personal time. If you work a 24/48 you work about 121 shifts per year, that is 30 days more per year. The standard worke week in the private sector is 40 hours, why should we have to work more?

    I don't buy into that "You get to sleep at work" argument either. A full nights rest is not even a remote guarantee in most departments, nevermind the negative health affects of a continuously interrupted sleep cycle. There are studies showing the detrement on the body of this. Just my rantings and continuing effort to try to figure out the world beyond my blinders. Maybe I'm just spoiled with the schedules I have worked, but it just doesn't seem right. And yes, I do understand that it will cost a city or town a fortune to increase their staffing and rank structure by a full third.
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    Here is my two cents on this subject. I currently not working with a municipal department, I am working in a US government civil service fire department. As a Fire Inspector, the pay just doesn't compare in the region that I am in. Most city or county fire inspectors and fire marshals gross much less. I have about 5 years of service and make approximately $49,500 per year. The other inspectors I work with make much more since they all have more than 10 years of service. We work a 56 hour week. Our firefighters start out at grossing about $32,000 per year if I remember correctly and end up making about what I make after 15 years. The clincher is that they have to work a 72 hour week for the same pay we recieve. The last pay reform we had evened out the field for gross salaries, but most of the suppression guys still work more hours than most other departments. It has been a while since I have been working fire suppression, so my numbers may be off. The bottom line is, we make pretty good pay for the area we are in, but if you go to a high cost of living area, you don't make much at all.
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    The clincher is that they have to work a 72 hour week for the same pay we recieve
    You are out of your mind. That is just not healthy for you, your family, or the people that you are to protect. I am absolutely surprised that the federal governemnt can get away with this, I know they can do what they want. There are a lot of Federal firefighters that do work 24/48s though. And for no more money either. Something is wrong here.
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