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    Hello all I need some help. If you don't mind would you list the starting pay, how many steps, top pay, hours per week and shift. We are about to start going for a new contract and would like to get a general idea what the trend is. You do not have to list your department just the state. Thanks Kyle.

    Our starting pay is for "2002" is $29,533. Top pay after 5 steps is $64,442. We work 42 hour weeks and 10's and 14's shifts.
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    I think that information is listed each year in Firehouse

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    Yes,its in Firehouse...but its not always quite right,judging by what it lists as our pay.It does not take into account,emt pay,night shift pay,parody(sp)with the police,longevity pay,holiday pay.Several thousand dollars when all is said and done.

    That said in Rochester we also work 42 hours,10 and 14's.With everything thrown in I pull in about 60k,with little ot.I don't have a copy of our contract here so I can't tell you the "offical"numbers.

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    Here in Mass. most departments start out about mid-30's and just climb from there. The highest paying department that I know of is MASSPort at Logan Airport in Boston. They start at over 60,000 per year.

    EMT gets about 5%, college will get you about 10%. With switching to the 24 hour shifts a lot of unions gave up shift differentials but some still retain them. Haz - Mat Tech gets about $3,000 from the state plus OT for the state drills.

    Most of us are working 24 hour shifts, or trying to get there, that average out to 42 hour weeks over an eight week cycle. I only know of 2, possibly 3, departments that work the 24/48 shift and all of them are trying to change it.

    I have a question about the 24/48 shifts for those that work them. Is OT factored in after 40 hours? How is the salary based? I see a lot of departments that work this shift but the hourly pay seems really low. Also, is there a push in some areas that work the 56's to switch to the 43 hour work week?
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    Firefighter 6 steps
    $27,865 to $45,488

    Firefighter Driver
    $47,763

    Fire Engine operator
    $50,947

    Fire Sgt.
    $50,947

    Fire Lieutenant
    5 steps
    $54,586 to $56,406

    Fire Captain
    5 steps
    $61,409 to $63,229

    Battalion Chief
    $74,700

    Base salary and 48 hour work week.
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    I work the 24/48 and we are continually trying to change. We do not get overtime after 40 hours. Overtime only comes into play when we are called back or work an extra shift. Our hourly pay is very low, but at the end of the year we've made about the same yearly salary as other departments in our area. However, we put in hundred more hours than them over the course of a year.

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    This is our current Basepay with Holidaypay for 2002. This does include college,longevity,or certificate pay. We also have pardoy pay since where a twin city Texarkana,Ar/Texarkana,TX to keep pay rate equal for both sides...

    Firefighter 6 steps
    Entry -28,264
    Years of Service
    1 - 29,959
    2 - 31,158
    3 - 32,403
    5 - 33,699
    10 - 35,048


    Engineer 4 steps
    Entry 36,098
    Years of Service
    1 - 36,640
    - ------
    3 - 37,190
    - ------
    5 - 37,746


    Lieutenant 4 steps
    Entry 39,633
    Years of Service
    1 - 40,427
    - ------
    3 - 41,235
    - ------
    5 - 42,059


    Batt. Chief 4 steps
    Entry 45,003
    Years of Service
    1 - 45,003
    - ------
    3 - 46,822
    - ------
    5 - 47,756

    We work 24 on/48 off
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    My Department just started to hire Fulltime this summer. There are now 4 fulltimers and the Chief who are paid by the town to suppliment the Volunteers. Mainly our job is to get a truck enroute to any calls while the vollies respond from home. Since there are only 4 of us working fulltime, we usually work 1 one man per 12 hour shift. We work regular 12 shifts totaling 84 hours every two weeks. We are salaried for $19,500 per year and don't get overtime. The Fire Chief is appointed by the Mayor and City Council. I'm not sure what his salary is but I'm sure it's better than the $19,500 we Firefighters get. I also continue to volunteer with the same department so it's like I'm always on shift. Oh, I almost forgot the parttimers. We have about 3 vollies listed as parttime to cover any shifts where the paid guy is unable to work due to illness or training. The parttimers get $8 per hour and only work once or twice a month depending on the need. Since I'm a City employee, I get vacation, sick time and insurance. The Chief is happy because when training falls on someones' day off we don't get paid for it but instead train as volunteers like we have always done.

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    The Federal Fair Laber Standards act is pretty clear about overtime guys, you need to fight this, and its not a bargaining issue, its the law.

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    Ok, here goes
    FF
    36,119 year 1
    40,755 year 2
    44,500 year 3-6
    + 5% every three years
    57,837 at 25 years

    FS
    48,486 if you have two years (minimum to make Specialist)
    62,966 for 25 years

    LT
    52,933-68,522

    CPT
    60,690-74,629

    We work 24/48's w/ an average of 56 hours a week. Federal law allows them to pay us straight time up to 53 hours a week, so every two months (19 shifts) we get a day off. Hope this helps.

    We also get incentive pay for Spec Ops, College, or Master/Advanced FF Certification.

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    our local in Nj just signed our 4 year contract 3.5,3.5,3.75,and 4.0. we have seven steps from 27K to
    66K in the first year topping out at 72 K by year 4. we just started 24/72s oct 1. we also have merit incentive points that are worth $28 apoint. to a max of 200 points $5600 per year on top of base. Fire inspectors and mechanics get $1800 stipend on top of that and emts get $1000.
    If your an FMBA local you can get more info from the salary guide. have you delegate or pres contact the state office

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    hey cellblock i would suggest stop volunteering your time with that department especially for mandatory training. make them pay for you time-you are an employee.

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    Thanks Wrench. I am the Pres for my local. I got the guide at the covention. Our contract is up and we are getting ready to weel and deal.
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    Fire Department City of New York

    Probie $32,724
    5th Grade $34,361
    4th Grade $36,077
    3rd Grade $37,881
    2nd Grade $39,755
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    In Carpentersville, Illinois are pay looks like this. Remember we are all FF/EMT-P and Engineers. We crossed train in everything.
    Grade 1 FF 41,854
    Grade 2 FF 45,204
    Grade 3 FF 47,012
    Grade 4 FF 50,077
    Grade 5 FF 52,167
    Grade 6 FF 54,164

    LT 1 56,330
    Lt 2 58,580
    Lt 3 60,927

    We get 10 paide holidays. EMT-P Stipend 1,500 extra. We also get a 5% bonus added to each step of the wage scale for any type of college degree. Associates and/or Bachelors. We only get 8 Kelley Days.
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    FLSA has different rules for public safety (Police and Fire) who work shift work. We work a 56 Hour week(averaged over two weeks) but don't get paid for the full 16 hours of overtime.

    Also, if we take any kind of earned leave, we don't get overtime for time worked over the 56 hours until we make up that leave. Doesn't seem fair to me but it is the law. Bad thing is the FLSA period is three weeks long. Most of us hate putting in any overtime helping to teach classes or attending special classes anymore, especially if we take a sick day or vacation.
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    Sharkie, Anne, and anyone else wondering about the 24/48 schedule, any hours worked over 53 hours per week have to be compensated either as overtime or comp time. We take the money. The FLSA cycle repeats every three weeks, and most places pay every two weeks or twice monthly, so your pay can fluctuate depending on whether you got your FLSA pay or not. We get 26 pays per year - every 2 weeks - so we get two with FLSA compensation, then skip one. Taking a vacation day or sick day, even IOD, means you didn't "work" the full cycle and your FLSA compensation is lost for that cycle. The FLSA compensation shows up on our checks as overtime, because that's what it is.

    Does that help?

    Anne and Cellblock, please look up the Fair Labor Standards Act - it's the law, they don't have a choice on whether they're going to pay you what you earned or not! Oh, and Cellblock, the Garcia Act specifically says that volunteering or being forced to volunteer at your place of employment is ILLEGAL. Please talk to a labor attorney at once! They owe you big money!
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    EdShanks,

    Thanks for explaining the money aspect to me, but I am more concerned about the hours worked per week. I just continue to have difficulty with teh Northeast being about the only area in the country to work a close to normal 40 hour standard work week. I know a lot of departments get Kelly days, reducing you to 48 hours per week, but there are a hell of a lot more that do not get them.

    Many of us here in New England work 24 hour shift variations for an average of 42 hours per week. If you do work the 24 hour shifts it averages out to about 92 shifts a year that you are scheduled to work, not deducting vacation and personal time. If you work a 24/48 you work about 121 shifts per year, that is 30 days more per year. The standard worke week in the private sector is 40 hours, why should we have to work more?

    I don't buy into that "You get to sleep at work" argument either. A full nights rest is not even a remote guarantee in most departments, nevermind the negative health affects of a continuously interrupted sleep cycle. There are studies showing the detrement on the body of this. Just my rantings and continuing effort to try to figure out the world beyond my blinders. Maybe I'm just spoiled with the schedules I have worked, but it just doesn't seem right. And yes, I do understand that it will cost a city or town a fortune to increase their staffing and rank structure by a full third.
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    Here is my two cents on this subject. I currently not working with a municipal department, I am working in a US government civil service fire department. As a Fire Inspector, the pay just doesn't compare in the region that I am in. Most city or county fire inspectors and fire marshals gross much less. I have about 5 years of service and make approximately $49,500 per year. The other inspectors I work with make much more since they all have more than 10 years of service. We work a 56 hour week. Our firefighters start out at grossing about $32,000 per year if I remember correctly and end up making about what I make after 15 years. The clincher is that they have to work a 72 hour week for the same pay we recieve. The last pay reform we had evened out the field for gross salaries, but most of the suppression guys still work more hours than most other departments. It has been a while since I have been working fire suppression, so my numbers may be off. The bottom line is, we make pretty good pay for the area we are in, but if you go to a high cost of living area, you don't make much at all.
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    The clincher is that they have to work a 72 hour week for the same pay we recieve
    You are out of your mind. That is just not healthy for you, your family, or the people that you are to protect. I am absolutely surprised that the federal governemnt can get away with this, I know they can do what they want. There are a lot of Federal firefighters that do work 24/48s though. And for no more money either. Something is wrong here.
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    As we all know, the Federal government can pretty much do whatever it wants. I am working on the prevention side of the house right now because I can go home just about every night and the pay difference is not quite as severe. I am paid at a different hourly rate than the firefighters. My pay rate percentage is the same as used for a supervisor or a chief. It would be very hard for me to go back to the 24 on - 24 off schedule the shift guys are on. As it is, I only have one duty night a week that I have to stay in addition to my scheduled daily work week. Our shift personnel have a rotating kelly day system so that every two weeks the get a three day break and every couple of months they get a five day break. I'm not sure of the details of it, since I have never worked it myself. Back when I was a firefighter, we worked a different schedule entirely. I was working 48 on and 48 off. I never cared for it at all. That was just something they did at the department I was at and is not common in other areas. Our guys pull a lot of overtime covering different scheduled missions and operations. Three and six day shifts are not uncommon. This is mainly due to low staffing levels.

    Several years ago when the pay reform act when through, the chiefs and inspectors got the better end of the deal in my opinion. Many others would not agree since they gross much more than I do and are at a much lower pay grade. You have to weigh which is more important, money or family. In my case family won. It is sad the US government makes you have to choose like this. Working a job that is 24/48 would be great, but if I was to quit now, I would take a serious pay cut.
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    Da Sharkie,

    I'm in NE Ohio, in the Youngstown area. We have a pretty adversarial relationship with our administration, and I can't believe they give us any more than they have to. Some years back, when Deferred Comp first came around, they stonewalled us on that, but when we threatened a lawsuit they gave in and followed the law. So when they pay us 24 hours for a 24 hour shift, I believe it's because they have to. I remember when ambulance companies hereabouts didn't get paid if they didn't run at night, and I always thought that was unfair. If they aren't going to pay me, I'm going home and sleep in my own bed! Maybe have a beer or two, too!

    I think most of us who work a 24/48 schedule don't mind it all that much. When my kids were little, I was here to meet them when they got off the school bus 2 days out of 3. But you're right about sleeping (or NOT sleeping) in the stations - and what about the stress from going from a dead sleep to dressed and racing to some adrenaline-producing call at a high rate of speed? What's that do to the old ticker? At least they've removed the klaxon horns from many of the fire stations. I sure don't miss them!

    It wouldn't cost a city as much as it appears on the surface to add a shift. They get back a lot of OT pay, and when your workweek drops below 53 hours they don't have to deal with the FLSA compensation. They would pay less sick time, too. And it's easier on the firefighters, but don't mention that to the politicians - that's a negative in their book!
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    Post Contract / Pay Information From Franklin Wisconsin

    Suburb of Milwaukee... Run 3 houses, 10 On Daily Min. ALS/BLS Ambulances... Total Staff is 43, Chief, BC of Training & EMS, 1 Fire INspector, 3 Shift Chiefs, 6 LT.'s, The rest are Parmedic or EMT Firefighters.
    Schedule is: On - Off - On - Off - On - Off - Off - Off - Off, all 24 Hr. Shifts

    Firefighters: Eff. 1-1-03 -- Eff. 7-1-03
    Step 1. 0 to 6 months 2899.14 -- 2957.12
    Step 2. 7 to 12 months 2999.95 --3059.95
    Step 3. 13 to 24 months 3507.50 -- 3577.65
    Step 4. 25 to 36 months 3630.44 -- 3703.05
    Step 5. 37 to 48 months 3753.38 --3828.45
    Step 6. 48+ months 4141.53 -- 4224.36

    Paramedic/Firefighters:
    Step 1. 0 to 6 months 3044.09 -- 3104.97
    Step 2. 7 to 12 months 3149.96 -- 3212.96
    Step 3. 13 to 24 months 3682.88 -- 3756.54
    Step 4. 25 to 36 months 3811.96 -- 3888.20
    Step 5. 37 to 48 months 3941.05 -- 4019.87
    Step 6. 48+ months 4466.21 -- 4555.53

    Lieutenants (Including Fire Inspector, Superintendent of Equipment, E.M.S. & Firefighters Lieutenants)
    Step 1. 0 to 6 months 3198.66 -- 3262.63
    Step 2. 7 to 12 months 3309.90 -- 3376.10
    Step 3. 13 to 24 months 3869.86 -- 3947.26
    Step 4. 25 to 36 months 4005.53 -- 4085.64
    Step 5. 37 to 48 months 4141.18 -- 4224.00
    Step 6. 48+ months 4693.02 -- 4786.88

    Section 2b.
    All fire officers who are required to maintain their paramedic license and fill the role of a paramedic first responder will be compensated a monthly rate of $75.00.

    Longeveity Pay
    Length of Employment Officers -- Firefighters
    After five 5 years of service $14.00/month -- $13.00/month
    After ten 10 years of service $29.00/month -- $27.00/month
    After fifteen 15 years of service $43.00/month -- $40.00/month
    After twenty 20 years of service $58.00/month -- $53.00/month
    After twenty-five 25 years of service $72.00/month -- $67.00/month

    Members who are active on the Haz-Mat Team and Confined Space Team shall receive a premium pay of Forty Dollars ($40.00) per month. The determination of membership on these Teams shall be at the sole discretion of management.

    Hope this helps.... sorry about the formatting, litmited by the board.... if you need more let me know....

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    Hi there
    Here in Ontario Canada the average rate for starting as 5th class firefighter is around 42,000 & top rate of first class witch takes 31/2 years to get to is around 62,000 right now we work 42 hour weeks on a 28 day cycle.

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    Remember these are wimpy Canadian dollars!!

    Firefighter
    1st year: 36,669
    2nd year: 42,304
    3rd year: 47,939
    4th year: 53,595
    5th year: 56,413 (first class firefighter)

    One stays at the first class firefighter wage until he/she becomes a senior firefighter at which point there are a couple of 2% and 3% raises. I think lieutenant's wage is 127% of First class.

    In addition to this there is stat holiday pay and shift differential pay which usually adds up to a few thousand more per year.

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