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  1. #1
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    Default One day at firehouse, 3 bad things?!

    I get home today and decided to get on firehouse and check things out... 3 Headlines. 2 of which I should NOT read about.

    1) Member dies in a truck accident. Another LODD added to 2002. But I am curious to know have they released a cause yet? Because I have not seen one. And my condolences go out with the fire department and the family. Its depressing to see one go, but they are in their new firehouse.

    2) Firemen and their cameras- oh yeah this is real beautiful. Guess they were going to try to make their own calendar and move to Hawaii. This is not what we need with all the tainted views we have had against the fire service in the past year, between us killing people responding, burning buildings down and now misusing equipment for a get up one night, yeah. I almost feel like I should just crawl into a hole and come out in acouple of years. These people need to go down, and I am darned glad they got caught.

    3) Firemen with deep pockets- If this is true that they were taking bribes for building codes and licensing or whatever. I would hate to say it but this I think is one of the worst of all. Greediness is not something that can be cured, it is just sick that it has now found its way into the fire service.

    Sometimes I just wish the media were poof, non existent, then we could have the chance I think to handle things internally. I know that it is tried right now, but as soon as the media gets something they dwell and dwell until something else incriminating pops up. We have a problem people. For those of you who do try to say theres not a problem, you are wrong. Until we all admit that there is a problem it cant be fixed. Some of these people are just Mutts. (For lack of a better word) And only one article even deserves the front page of this site. The crash victim who has now been promoted. The rest need to be buried.
    Firefighter/EMT Mitch Cowen
    Hose Co. 1 1st Lieutenant
    Randolph Fire Co. Inc

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    Feb 2001
    Dauphin County, PA


    Are you suggesting that the public NOT be made aware of the problems that exist in the fire service? I certainly hope not, because then how would we, the fellow firemen, know? How could we learn from others' mistakes? Most importantly, how would the problem be solved? Unfortunately, too much of the time, the only reason problems are fixed is due to the sheer embarassment brought upon the fire department for whatever negligent act was done. It is truly sad that, in many cases, this is the motivation needed to make things better, but the truth hurts. If there were problems in a company in which you were invested, wouldn't you want to know about them? Then why shouldn't the public know about our problems? How much do they have invested in us - their tax dollars, their homes, their families, themselves? Fat, dumb, and happy - while it may not seem this way - is no way to go through life.

    Too many times, sweeping it under the rug, or oops, I mean handling it internally, doesn't solve the problem and ends up causing even more problems.

    Stay Safe

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    Mitch, while these are bad events that should not happen, try an experiment. Walk down the street and ask people what they think about these 3 items. My bet, most people will have no idea what you are referring to. Firehouse is seen (for the most part) by Fire and EMS related people. John Q Public rarely comes and reads this. Most of these events are making local news if even that.

    Do I think we need to bury our heads? No, I think we are already doing that. Maybe if some of these did make national news and get some attention, we might finally start taking care of it. By looking through these forums and threads about all the firesetters, you will see where George Wendt (Norm!) has a good point. There is no agency that even bothers to track such things. Try finding a number nationwide of how many firefighters are fire setters. You won't. It keeps getting pushed and hidden away instead of being brought out in the open and recognized. We (all firefighters) have a problem, and it is not being addressed.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    While we won't get into the nitty gritty of what each story is about, Bones is absolutely right on one main point ... Firehouse.com is not a site intended for the general public to view fire service issues.

    There are going to be days when all the news is bad or 'negative' in context, then there will be days like earlier this week when three of the top four stories were about rescues made or other things positive. Most of these types of stories may be the 'big' story in their local community, but the only people interested outside of that local area nationally would be other firefighters, etc.

    While certainly some regular citizens come here, more so when a local LODD happens or looking for fire safety information, the news and other content is focused specifically for 99% of our audience to learn and be informed about ... emergency services personnel.


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    I can understand what you mean about the media, but good or bad, they are here to stay. With that in mind, it is up to us to take the responsibility to keep ourselves out of the media in a negative way.
    I believe the web team does a great job of bringing to us relative news, good and bad, with out sensationalizing it like the print or news media.
    My posts reflect my views and opinions, not the organization I work for or my IAFF local. Some of which they may not agree. I.A.C.O.J. member
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    Red face

    Originally posted by webteam
    While we won't get into the nitty gritty of what each story is about, Bones is absolutely right on one main point ... Firehouse.com is not a site intended for the general public to view fire service issues.

    That sounds almost as believable as a kid saying he's not looking at porn on the internet.

    You put something on the Internet, 9 times out of 10, everyone BUT the person you want to see it, will see it.
    Doc DC2
    ex-FDNY (E 74)

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    If you want a good story, read the one thats tops on the site right now. It doesnt get much better than that.


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