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    How does Texas have the best retirement in the country?

    And $6500 a year in OT is not always alot of money.

    Edit- i just saw this thread was like over 5 years old and wonder how come it popped up on my screen just now.

    I guess- forget about it?


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    Hey walker...

    Are you or are you not a HFD firefighter?

    And you clearly don't understand basic math. 16% over 4 years isn't a 1 year raise of 16%. Clearly you either have an agenda to slant the facts or your need to go back to 6th Grade again.

    Is this raise compounded? I can't find in the document where it states they are getting a 16% increase over 1 year.

    None of us can make a decision on if this is an appropriate contract or not...that is for the HFD members and them alone to decide.

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    I am not from Houston and I read some of the article but I'll try to clarify a few things.

    6500 isnt a bunch in overtime.... well, thats almost a quarter of what a probie makes there w/o incentives so its pretty nice.

    Granted, they are in South Texas where the cost of living is "cheaper" but its still nothing great. They do work the modified Kelly system so life isnt "too bad".

    I didnt see anything about their retirement. I dont know what they follow.... it might be the TMRS plan but I could be wrong.

    TMRS works by you put in 7% of your pay. city doubles it so they put 14%. I've seen lower but 7 is pretty much the standard. At 20 years in, you can retire with 50% of what your current paycheck is. At 25 years, its like 80 and 30 its like 90 or 95% of your paycheck. After 30 years, your putting money into your TMRS account, but its still not growing. So, in theory, at 30 years, you would be making just as much retired as you would on duty.

    So, its pretty nice. But, thats just the TMRS plan. Some cities do their own stuff. Some have the Drop plan. All I know is the Texas Municipal Retirement System.

    And from what I heard, everyone now has to be a medic that is coming out of the academy. So, someone with their fire certs and their medic patch coming in, once out of the academy, is making like 39,500. Plus, chunk that overtime in there and your doing not 1/2 bad.

    And the 24 on 24 off 24 on then 4 days off lets you have freetime if you need it. Land within an hour or two of Houston can be found for a reasonable price so you can raise cattle and such

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    This thread was LOCKED in 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    This thread was LOCKED in 2002.
    Bones is that anything like certain posters that have been "Permanatly Banned"? And pop back up in a couple of weeks.

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    Wow I didn't even notice that. LOL! How in the h*ll did this end up resurfacing?

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    I saw it on the bottom of my screen and clicked on it. SORRY!

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    Hmmm...Id like to know if they ever got it fixed
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    And from what I heard, everyone now has to be a medic that is coming out of the academy. So, someone with their fire certs and their medic patch coming in, once out of the academy, is making like 39,500. Plus, chunk that overtime in there and your doing not 1/2 bad.

    And the 24 on 24 off 24 on then 4 days off lets you have freetime if you need it. Land within an hour or two of Houston can be found for a reasonable price so you can raise cattle and such
    Just to update that. Houston Fire Department has had a plan of making everyone a paramedic that comes through the academy for the past 5 years or so. Two months ago the city announced that they had enough medics to adequately cover the city(500). Now mainly due to lack of finacial resources the city has cancelled most of its classes. The Houston Fire Department has offered all its recruits as well as some recent hires the choice to apply for paramedic school or take 24 months on the busiest basic ambulances. Those who chose the 24 months will only be allowed to ride on fire apparatus on debit days. Thats only one day a month. If you chose pm school you have to apply. The last word is that nearly 150 people are expected to apply for only 40 spots in the next class.

    oh yeah by the way its five days off to raise cattle and such

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    Hey Paul. What happens if you come on with your Medic Patch already?

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    I've always thought this thread stunk of Nail200!
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    I dont know but I think what happened is that it was locked, somehow it came unlocked? and when it did, it brought it back up to the main page

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    I dont know but I think what happened is that it was locked, somehow it came unlocked? and when it did, it brought it back up to the main page
    Maybe they forgot to lock it. Seen that happen before. Or maybe it did get unlocked "accidentally"

    Thought it was pretty funny this morning when I read Bou's post .... I just knew there would be a flurry of posts, even though it's 5 years old and he said "fogedabowdit" ok so I don't do a very good Italian accent LOL. I was right though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RspctFrmCalgary View Post
    Maybe they forgot to lock it. Seen that happen before. Or maybe it did get unlocked "accidentally"

    Thought it was pretty funny this morning when I read Bou's post .... I just knew there would be a flurry of posts, even though it's 5 years old and he said "fogedabowdit" ok so I don't do a very good Italian accent LOL. I was right though!

    I'm sure this brings back a lot of memories for the long-time forum members. (May he RIP)
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    Houston does not have TMRS. They have their own retirement system that is one of the best in the state. Stuff like a 10 yr drop and stuff. And if you come in as a medic you are a medic after their little month Houston Medic Cert and then you are on a squad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    Hey Paul. What happens if you come on with your Medic Patch already?
    If you come in as a FF/P you go through a 6 week class on HFD firefighting procedures and also a 2 week course on Paramedic protocols. Then you will get badged and sent out. This is where stuff has been questionable. You will then go to an internship as a paramedic. You have to do certain stuff. Example of so many intubations a full arrest and some other stuff. Then they send you infront of the med director and you run a mock full arrest by HFD protocols. Then your officially cleared to work as a paramedic for the city. Takes anywhere from 4 months to however long you take. The problem has been shortage of preceptors. So FF/P have been waiting for preceptors. I think the wait is around 2 months or so. During this time you will be functioning as a FF/EMT on the pumper as well as box.
    But the extra $7200 a year is worth it. Not to mention OT for medics is endless.

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    interesting.... I've been looking for some excitement in life. Although... Houston is the armpit of texas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firewalker1 View Post
    Anyone out there, anyone been offered a 16% raise?
    Yes, every four years (after waiting four years without a contract every time!) Ours is up again in june. I'll tell you in four years what we get!!!!


    4% a year is a bare minimum, not something to brag about.......
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    In reality, 4% a year is basically no raise at all, but just keeping up with inflation.

    As to Houston being the armpit of Texas:
    "Houston is a cruel and crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas with no zoning laws and a culture of sex, money and violence. It's a shabby sprawling metropolis ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and super-rich pansexual cowboys who live by the code of the West -- which can mean just about anything you need it to mean, in a pinch."
    - Hunter S. Thompson

    To some that sounds bad..but to me it sounds pretty awesome.

    As for Dallas, Texas Monthly described it as "the land of fake boobs and leased BMW's."

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