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    long as I can squeeze em, they are real enough....

    No step plan here.... 5% merit per year. Its nice but the step plan is wanted by some, hated by others. Step plan is great for guys under 5 years. Then, depending on where you work, it can be a shot in the foot.

    No top out here. Possible to be making base of around 70k or more just being a firefighter when start out pay is around 35k-45k depending what city

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegas0012 View Post
    In reality, 4% a year is basically no raise at all, but just keeping up with inflation.

    As to Houston being the armpit of Texas:
    "Houston is a cruel and crazy town on a filthy river in East Texas with no zoning laws and a culture of sex, money and violence. It's a shabby sprawling metropolis ruled by brazen women, crooked cops and super-rich pansexual cowboys who live by the code of the West -- which can mean just about anything you need it to mean, in a pinch."
    - Hunter S. Thompson

    To some that sounds bad..but to me it sounds pretty awesome.

    As for Dallas, Texas Monthly described it as "the land of fake boobs and leased BMW's."
    Actually inflation has been running about 2 or 3 percent a year. So this is a raise. But really, if you want a real raise why not move up the ladder? Of course you also get longevity raises. So maybe the annual raise should be tied to the annual rate of inflation.

    Of course this whole discussion hits on one of my pet peeves, that is how useless Unions are in this day and age. The place I just left was part of the Teamsters union and they were absolutely useless. All they wanted was that money from our paychecks. And I wasn't alone there either. Funny thing is I know a few State Troopers, they hate the unions as well. They are tottally useless for them, especially since they can't strike. LMAO!!!! Remeber the Air Traffic Controllers? Is it any wonder I think Reagan was the greatest president we have seen in the last 100 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Actually inflation has been running about 2 or 3 percent a year. So this is a raise. But really, if you want a real raise why not move up the ladder? Of course you also get longevity raises. So maybe the annual raise should be tied to the annual rate of inflation.

    Of course this whole discussion hits on one of my pet peeves, that is how useless Unions are in this day and age. The place I just left was part of the Teamsters union and they were absolutely useless. All they wanted was that money from our paychecks. And I wasn't alone there either. Funny thing is I know a few State Troopers, they hate the unions as well. They are tottally useless for them, especially since they can't strike. LMAO!!!! Remeber the Air Traffic Controllers? Is it any wonder I think Reagan was the greatest president we have seen in the last 100 years.
    Is it any wonder everyone thinks you are the biggest ******bag they have seen in the last 100 years? Are you a career firefighter? What would you know about fire departments striking?
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    I know were getting a 4.5% raise in June. Not much but the way the old heads always told me the money is at the end of the rainbow. I generously dontate to my deferred compensation and with pension and the drop. I am destined to retire well. Plus its the greatest job in the world so raise or not I couldnt be happier.

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    do not confuse three years of 0% followed by 16% as eqivalent to 4% per yr. You lose the compounding effect of sequential annual raises.

    More importantly members that retired during the extended negotiations would lose their retoractive pension boost due to the revised annual wages earned. Maybe that's why thos useless union leaders rejected the offer in the first place

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    Is it any wonder everyone thinks you are the biggest ******bag they have seen in the last 100 years? Are you a career firefighter? What would you know about fire departments striking?
    Thanks Chicago I just spit a Rum and Coke all over my monitor and key board.
    I love how ya tell, it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Is it any wonder everyone thinks you are the biggest ******bag they have seen in the last 100 years? Are you a career firefighter? What would you know about fire departments striking?
    Why do you need ot be a career firefighter to have knowledge of Unions? Do you think they are the only ones with useless Union structures that suck cash out of their memebrs? And who said I knew anything about fire fighters striking? Open your eyes, read the lines of text. Tell me where I sadin anything at all about Fire Fighters striking. I don't know for sure, but I believe they are also prohibited from striking. So what good is a Union? But I like it. Another battle one. You get hit with logic and reality and respond with name calling. No facts. No logic. No insight. You simply don't know what to say. All you know is you have been brainwashed by the $100,000 a year Union bosses that you need them. And you have no problem giving them your money. Unions in this country have essentially outlived their usefullness. Labor laws and free trade have obsoleted them. I was able to improve my job and my position. And I didn't need a Union to help me do it. Matter of fact, there were a couple of non Unoin jobs that came out in the papers as I was leaving, and they paid more money. Unions are one of the Great American rip-offs of this century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firedog21 View Post
    Thanks Chicago I just spit a Rum and Coke all over my monitor and key board.
    I love how ya tell, it like it is.

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    Obviously not your first Rum and Coke, 10 or 11 I would guess. He didn't say anything. FYI Einstein, keyboard is one word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Another battle one.
    "Won," genius. A typo is one thing, mixing up your mono-syllabic words is another. When you're going to crow about your abilities and mock others, police your posts. Eliminate misspellings. Just some advice.

    The contract was voted down by people who want to promote and thought eliminating jobs was a bad thing. Contracts are supposed to improve working conditions, and eliminating positions isn't usually an improvement.

    The raise settled upon is like stirring cheese into mashed potatos. It disappears. The scumbag HMO Blue Texas is raising their rates again, in spite of the fact that they skip out on paying for procedures, drag their leaden feet in getting approvals, and seem to have an unacceptable amount of paperwork as compared to other bastard *** piece of **** HMOs. That's like saying someone was too evil to be in the Nazi party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Why do you need ot be a career firefighter to have knowledge of Unions? Do you think they are the only ones with useless Union structures that suck cash out of their memebrs?

    Because this is a firefighting website. Everything here should pertain in some way to firefighting. So when you start bashing the union, I ask "What the hell would you know about it?" because I know from every post you make that you have never been a firefighter, much less an IAFF firefighter.

    And who said I knew anything about fire fighters striking? Open your eyes, read the lines of text. Tell me where I sadin anything at all about Fire Fighters striking. I don't know for sure, but I believe they are also prohibited from striking. So what good is a Union?

    Because you mentioned the ATC affair, laughing at guys loosing their jobs, as if it were pertinant to this discussion. You don't know s#it about the issue and prove it by implying we can't strike, idiot. We can and we have and by doing so have greatly improved conditions for our selves and others.

    But I like it. Another battle one. You get hit with logic and reality and respond with name calling. No facts. No logic. No insight. You simply don't know what to say. All you know is you have been brainwashed by the $100,000 a year Union bosses that you need them. And you have no problem giving them your money.

    $100,000??? Where did you get that number? Maybe that seems like alot to you, hillbilly, but in the real world, union represented firefighters are making that. Our local president makes far more than that.

    Unions in this country have essentially outlived their usefullness. Labor laws and free trade have obsoleted them. I was able to improve my job and my position. And I didn't need a Union to help me do it. Matter of fact, there were a couple of non Unoin jobs that came out in the papers as I was leaving, and they paid more money. Unions are one of the Great American rip-offs of this century.
    Yet another topic you open your mouth on with no understanding of. Go back to your volly house, have a beer, and leave union issues to union members, you uninformed small timer.
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Obviously not your first Rum and Coke, 10 or 11 I would guess. He didn't say anything. FYI Einstein, keyboard is one word.
    Here we go......


    Why do you need ot be a career firefighter to have knowledge of Unions? Do you think they are the only ones with useless Union structures that suck cash out of their memebrs? And who said I knew anything about fire fighters striking? Open your eyes, read the lines of text. Tell me where I sadin anything at all about Fire Fighters striking. I don't know for sure, but I believe they are also prohibited from striking. So what good is a Union? But I like it. Another battle one. You get hit with logic and reality and respond with name calling. No facts. No logic. No insight. You simply don't know what to say. All you know is you have been brainwashed by the $100,000 a year Union bosses that you need them. And you have no problem giving them your money. Unions in this country have essentially outlived their usefullness. Labor laws and free trade have obsoleted them. I was able to improve my job and my position. And I didn't need a Union to help me do it. Matter of fact, there were a couple of non Unoin jobs that came out in the papers as I was leaving, and they paid more money. Unions are one of the Great American rip-offs of this century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    "Won," genius. A typo is one thing, mixing up your mono-syllabic words is another. When you're going to crow about your abilities and mock others, police your posts. Eliminate misspellings. Just some advice.
    No, he was right. It's another battle #1. He has yet to win any of them so they don't count.
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    So Johnny, did medical control ever improve? I declined a job offer in Houston at about the time of this original post. One of the major reasons was I was told by some people working there at the time that you had to call med control for orders on just about everything. Anything change yet? Has money ever been improved because that was another reason?

    Oh, IAFF proud by the way. I didnt actually understand the benefit of this union until I became involved in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic563 View Post
    So Johnny, did medical control ever improve? I declined a job offer in Houston at about the time of this original post. One of the major reasons was I was told by some people working there at the time that you had to call med control for orders on just about everything. Anything change yet? Has money ever been improved because that was another reason?

    Oh, IAFF proud by the way. I didnt actually understand the benefit of this union until I became involved in it.
    I'm a Basic, so I'm not sure, but it has never seemed to me like the guys had their hands tied. I know a paramedic chauffer on a medic or squad makes senior captain pay.

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    I know Houston is taking Apps again. You know how many their gonna hire vs how many normally test?

    I've been wanting a little more action and have been thinking about maybe testing. I really dont care about riding the ambo or squad. I actually enjoy it I got my medic and would like to actually use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    I know Houston is taking Apps again. You know how many their gonna hire vs how many normally test?

    I've been wanting a little more action and have been thinking about maybe testing. I really dont care about riding the ambo or squad. I actually enjoy it I got my medic and would like to actually use it
    Last I heard was they were going to have a test in anywhere from 2-3 months for paramedics. Not sure on the numbers but Ive gotten the impression from one of the EMS chiefs that hiring existing FF/P is going to become a large way of keeping up thier medic numbers. You'll get plenty of action on the squads thats for sure. I about to transfer from a station with a medium squad (avg 16-18 calls a day) to a station with one of the top squads (avg 22-26 calls a day). But yet Im a basic only and destined to ride the box (avg 14-16 a day) for the next two years.

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    Wow, a 5 year old thread. Gotta be a record.

    I think the dead horse has decayed.

    We're beating a decayed horse. Maybe we're probably beating some mushrooms that grew up or some maggots or worms or something, I'm sure.

    I think the thread was locked, and they let it out on probation. Maybe they can try it again, eh webteam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Why do you need ot be a career firefighter to have knowledge of Unions?
    Actually you don't need to be a career FF to have a general knowledge about unions. You just need to be one to know the IAFF.

    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    All you know is you have been brainwashed by the $100,000 a year Union bosses that you need them. And you have no problem giving them your money. Unions in this country have essentially outlived their usefullness. Labor laws and free trade have obsoleted them. I was able to improve my job and my position. And I didn't need a Union to help me do it. Matter of fact, there were a couple of non Unoin jobs that came out in the papers as I was leaving, and they paid more money. Unions are one of the Great American rip-offs of this century.
    I used to think unions were out dated and useless, that is until I joined the IAFF. In the 2 years that our local has become more active we have secured an 8% raise for our members and just recently secured a pension that 1. allows use to leave at 55yoa with 25yos with no penalty 2. allows us to carry our insurance with us when we leave. This has been no small achievment as this is the best pension that has been made available to our members since 1976. These are just two of the accomplishments that a UNION in a right to work state has done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Is it any wonder everyone thinks you are the biggest ******bag they have seen in the last 100 years? Are you a career firefighter? What would you know about fire departments striking?

    He would know absolutely nothing. Which is why he posted in the first place. But maybe we will be lucky and he will find some survey or other research from 1880 to prove his "supposed" point
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Here we go......




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