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    Ok gentlemen, every time I go to post it is telling me that I have not followed a valid link or something, so I am going to lunch, and then I will save my post to a Microsoft Word document and then post it. Hold your horses, it is coming...I have some answers....
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    Kiwi,

    Apparently animals are supposed to go to heaven. They don't have souls, only spirit, therefore follow their natural instinct. They were never given free choice that man has, so they don't sin. This is according to some theories.

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    You know it's interesting that you can post to tell us you can't post.

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    I, for one, will spend eternity in an urn.

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    Ok, every time I went to post a large post it would not work out for me. So here is what I decided to do. Post a numerical list of the questions that you want answered, in the order that you want them answered, and I will try to answer them and do it with tact and proof behind them. I will then post my answer. All are invited to answer the questions. Please keep the number of questions down as I am only one person without much support. I will answer as fast as possible.
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    I really did try to stay out of this one - honest I did, but sometimes even the quiet guys have to speak out.... so here goes:

    (Take into account, these are my words alone and are spoken from my experiences both at home and abroad in the Mid-East; the Army has wonderful ways of introducing a person to new peoples and cultures)

    What gets me wound up the most about any religion is that when you filter out the hoolllyy goooggle and language scrap, they intrinsically say the same thing. Namely that you "should love your neighbour, repent your sins and if you are a good person you will attain heaven during the afterlife."

    As it happens, in addition to the "good message" they also tell that if another person doesn’t flow the same way as you, they must be destroyed - now what’s with that?

    That is the "human intellect" interfering with a social concept, now if we could just switch that intellect "off" then all would be happy in the world.... hmmm not gonna happen anytime soon is it?

    Religious discussion for the sake of discussion is a great way of expressing ideas and trading thoughts, but when you have more than one particular religious group in the discussion, that is how it should stay - A DISCUSSION ONLY.
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    1835Wayne, obviously you have some serious anger towards the church, or an religious organization, a religion, or somebody involved in one of the aformentioned organizations.
    Maybe he's tired of holy rollers ringing his doorbell and not taking the hint when we say "no thank you" or "not today".

    Ever heard the expression:

    "That's as rare as a Jehova's Witness in someone's livingroom"

    KParker: No thank you, not today!

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    Just one quick point, be very careful when you tell me what my doctrine believes in....because you do not know what my doctrine even is...therefore you don't know what it says. Oh, and one more thing, how is it that the first thing that I hear when I post is "Don't judge me" "You should be tolerant of others" Well then, what happens is that nobody is tolerant of what I have to say? Why is that? What about someone telling ME what I meant when I posted something? hmm....sounds like maybe some people believe some things only when it is convenient for you...in that case do you really believe that then???
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    Weeeelllll.....This is all well and good, but what I REEEAALLLYY want to know is if that is truly Dinty Moore's thumb print on the top of my can of stew?? If that's real......I mean that's one biiig thumb ...yeeeeessshh!!
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    Thank you for the lightening of the mood Stayback! And good to see that you are ok. I was begining to wonder if you were blown somewhere over the rainbow with the weather this past sunday!
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    "TO DO IS TO BE." SOCRATES
    "DO BE DO BE DO." SINATRA

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    When you understand why you reject all other religions, you'll understand why I reject yours. That pretty well sums it up for this agnostic firefighter. If people really studied the history of Christianity, the REAL history, they would have no reason to follow such superstitious nonsense.

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    "SCOO BE DO BE DO." Famous Dog.
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    All this doobie talk is making me hungry !

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    Default THIS HAD TO HAPPEN.

    A new young monk arrives at the monastery. He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old canons and laws of the church by hand. He notices, however, that all of the monks are copying from copies, not from the original manuscript.

    So, the new monk goes to the head abbot to question this, pointing out that if someone made even a small error in the first copy, it would never be picked up. In fact, that error would be continued in all subsequent copies.

    The head abbot replies, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son." So, the head monk goes down into the dark caves underneath the monastery where the original manuscript is held in a locked vault that hasn't been opened for hundreds of years.

    Hours go by, and nobody sees the old abbot. So, the young new monk gets worried and goes downstairs to look for the elder monk. He sees him banging his head against the floor. His forehead is all bloody and bruised, and he is crying uncontrollably.

    The young monk asks the old abbot, "What's wrong, father?" With a choking voice, the old abbot replies, "The word is celebrate."
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    KParker,

    No I am not going to post a numberical (misspelled on purpose) list, and I doubt anyone else is either. You opened this can of worms, under the guise of requiring help, so please spare the defensiveness. If you didn't want the reaction you should have either phrased the question so it was more apparent what the thread was about, or not posted it at all.

    There is little point in telling me to be careful of what I say about your doctrine, frankly I don't care what YOUR doctrine says. Everything I mentioned before is taken straight out of the bible (with the exception of the animals), so you either believe it or you don't. If you are born again, which your original post implys then it all does pertain to your doctrine. It's a moot point, because like I said I really don't care. You are happy with your spiritual life and I am happy with mine, as are probably most of the people that have posted here.

    I don't believe that anyone has judged you at all. Unless people telling you that they aren't interested in your preaching is judging. People have commented on your actions on this thread alone, nothing else. Maybe if you feel like you are being judged you should look at the reason why you feel that way.

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    Default CEASE FIRE

    I know that I am not an official "authority figure" in these forums, but I wish to propose a cease fire in this thread - from both sides.

    The thread has digressed a bit further than I anticipated. If you have been following this thread from the beginning you are aware that I have been holding out on offering my stance on this whole issue. I will be offering my comments in the morning, but in the meantime I respectfully request your understanding and cooperation.

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    I know this is a serious subject. Rev., I did not mean to make light of Christianity and from what I have seen, you are a tolerant and decent man. As a man of the cloth I know where you stand and I respect the fact that you treat folks the same no matter what their beliefs are.

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    Kris you go brother I would have never had the guts to do that. Everyone else if you dont believe what he is saying then more power to you. Correct me if Im wrong but did he ever say that you have to believe what he believes??? No he didnt. He never said anything negative about any other religions....this is his belief and he is entitled to believe what he wants....he is also entitled to free speech under our constitution. I personally think this post should not be stopped by the webteam but if it is then that their decission and they can do that. He also NEVER judged anyone, nor did he say whether anyone was going to Heaven or Hell, he simple stated what his beliefs say. Jesus does say in the Bible that the only way to the Father is through Him. I will probably have things to add later but this is how I feel and I think this is just as good a place as any to spread the Word of Jesus Christ. Godd Bless everyone on these forums and may He be with you as you "slay the dragon."
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    Default THANK YOU MIKEY!!!!

    You hit the nail on the head!!!!!

    As a man of the cloth I know where you stand and I respect the fact that you treat folks the same no matter what their beliefs are.

    I feel that nothing more need be said......except...........


    AMEN!!!!!!


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    Wink Time for a break, or brake.

    A motorist was driving in the country when he came upon a priest and a rabbi standing on the shoulder of the road, fishing. Next to them was a sign that read "Turn around. The end is near."
    The motorist didn't like to be preached to, so he rolled down the window and yelled, "Mind your own business, you religious nuts!"
    A few seconds later the two fishermen heard tires screech, then a splash. The rabbi turned to the priest and said, "I told you we should've written, "Bridge Out".
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    Lightbulb WOW......

    I believe in God and I'm already living in hell but just to play devil's advocate did you ever stop to think that the same people that wrote the Bible thought the world was flat too? Oh well....I guess if you believe in something you make it real. Is there a Killians and some poker around anywhere?

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    Smile The Rantings of a Rev

    PREACH MODE: ON

    I was totally unaware of this thread until the private messages and e-mails began flooding in asking me to check it out and "do something." I checked it out and opted at first to sit back and watch - just to see what direction things would go (as if I didn't know ).

    Alas, the time has come for me to post. I have asked the BMI Special Services to stand guard at the door - no one leaves until I am done (or at least until after I collect the offering).

    These forums are really no different than your local firehouse. You've got people from all different backgrounds, cultures, faiths, status, etc... and therein lies the problem - it's filled with humans. Humans with the ability to think and choose for themselves.

    The key issue of this thread is not heaven or hell or how to get to either place, rather it is about diversity. It's about accepting each other and appreciating what makes us unique. Certainly KParker is free to share his message - welcome to America! - and other are free not to listen, or disagree. The problem comes when we begin to attack and debate instead of discuss and understand.

    There is no easy answer. We must agree to disagree and move on. As a Fire Chaplain I serve FFs of many faiths - that doesn't get in the way. Yes, they know that I am a Christian and that my insight/counsel/guidance comes from that perspective. My ability to offer this insight/counsel/guidance comes from the relationships that have been cultiviated though mutual respect and understanding.

    I refrain from "preaching Jesus" in the firehouse because I realize that not everyone wants to hear it (regardless of whether or not I think they need to ). I will always answer direct questions about my faith - but in a civilized one-on-one discussion, not as a topic of public debate. Arguing about it accomplishes nothing. A great preacher once said, "Evangelize daily - if necessary, use words."

    The bottom line is this - the firehouse ain't the place for it. I respect all of your opinions (even those of you with wrong ones ) and I am glad that through this "discussion" I now have a better understanding of YOU. That is what will hold us together.

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