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    Question Do YOU Know????

    I thought that this was an appropriate subject to post on this forum, since it definitely relates to the fire service, and firefighters every day. We as firefighters, and EMS workers, or whatever else we may be face death in the face each and every day. We know the risks of our profession, and we take that risk willingly in the hope that we may be able to save a life. Since this is the case, it is imperative that we know one thing. If YOU (yes you) were to die tonight in a structure fire, do you know where you would spend eternity? Our bodies DO NOT simply cease to exist after death, we will spend eternity in one of two places, either heaven or hell. Hell will be a place of eternal tormention (This will definitly be "The Big One"- except there will be no putting it out). Heaven will be a place of eternal peace and rest. Well how do you get to enjoy the benefits of Heaven you say? Well I am glad that you asked, it is simple......to put it basically there is three steps:

    A) Admit- You have to admit that you are a sinner (simply do things that are wrong), and repent (turn from this sin).

    B) Beleive- You have to believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried, and then arose on the third say.

    C) Confess- Simply you tell others what Jesus has done for you.

    This is the simplified version, because I know that I don't like to read a 10 page post, so I know nobody else does either, if you have any questions, comments, post them, or pm me, or email me. I can give you many scripture references from the Bible if you would like further proof, or things to read. This is a life-changing decision, don't delay to make it, you never know when it is going to be you on the LODD on firehouse.com, or in the paper. Make sure you are ready to go today, right now!
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    Real Bad Taste
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    Default Lets be careful out there

    If I get killed tonight ( I am at work)..I am sure God will be understanding.

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    Default just my .05 cents *Rookie yanno*

    I don't think it truly matters what profession we are in, we are all going to die sometime. And yes, this profession runs a higher risk than most and we all go into it with that understanding. We all have our own beliefs and our own ways of showing them. This world has not nor will ever be "under" a single religious belief. Whether a person believes in God, Yaweh, Jehovah, Buddah, Allah, or whatever, you get the picture, what they believe is within themselves and within their hearts. Not all people believe in a heaven and a hell, and I feel that we should respect all beliefs, the main focal point is that there is a "higher power" than ourselves. I think that as long as each one of us has made our peace with our "God" then that is all that matters when it all boils down.
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    KParker

    Well how do you get to enjoy the benefits of Heaven you say? Well I am glad that you asked,
    NO ONE asked.

    What you have essentially done is tell everyone on these boards who is not a "born again christian" that they are going to hell in a handbasket. You don't have the RIGHT to make that judgement or determination. Heaven and hell, whether you believe in such things or not is each persons individual right. If I wanted an alter I would go to my local church Sunday night.

    Kiwi is exactly right. This post is in extremely bad taste and is offensive.

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    Default Re: Do YOU Know????

    Originally posted by KParker
    I thought that this was an appropriate subject to post on this forum...........-Kris
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    Kparker- if you feel the need to testify as to the glory of the Lord, do it door to door like the rest of the holy rollers and Bible thumpers.........

    These forums are an international meeting place for firefighters and EMS workers. Not all share your beliefs and should not be compelled to see them here. I am a Catholic and take insult at your presumption that anyone who does not follow YOUR ways is going to Hell!!!! How dare you judge anyone!!!!! That is the domain of the Lord our God and not that of a mere man!! I leave the judgeing of a persons eternal soul to the almighty and I suggest that you do the same.

    I feel that no one religion has all the right of it and who am I to say what they might be wrong about? I follow what is written in the Bible "JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED." I feel it is up to each person to worship as they see fit. If you want to preach, find a pulpit and go for it! There is no pulpit here.
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    1835Wayne, I couldn't have said it better myself.
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    KParker, while your intentions appear noble enough, you strike out on methods. Here are the three strikes:

    1. Making your statements in an online forum. This is not going to send anyone charging to church to repent. Those of us users who are Christians try to let that show through in our posts, and with a grand total of four posts to your credit, you clearly haven't gotten to that point yet. I'd say very few--maybe zero--people EVER read ANYTHING online that saved their souls on the spot. YOUR job in trying to witness to others is to get face-to-face when you can and be personally involved in helping somebody who WANTS to find God.

    2. Using LODD's as leverage. A lot of people on these forums are hurting from recent LODD's of near and dear; I suspect they do not like having it thrown in their faces that they could be next. Sure, they could, but being a firefighter is not our only potential ticket to death. Somebody's aorta could spring a big aneurysm before I finish this post, or a sleepy driver could hit me on my way home. If we know anything in this business, it's mortality. Don't dredge up old wounds by playing the LODD card.

    3. Making a "simplified post". What people need to hear to be born again is a long way from fitting in one little post. We haven't heard from you since the original post. Did you just think a quick little post was going to help anybody? Have you even been back to read this thread?

    Summed up: Good intentions, poor methods.
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    Originally posted by EastKyFF
    Have you even been back to read this thread?
    The post was created only yesterday evening. Give people a chance. Some people (unlike everyone who's replied, including myself) do not constantly log into FH.com to read the forums every hour on the hour.


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    I am here Adze -- I'm just waiting to see how this all pans out before I comment...

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    Default Interesting.......

    Well then, I obviously have stirred up quite a hornet's nest, a lot of interesting things have been said about me, about what I said, and even some things that I did not say. I never judged anybody in what I said, I was never negative or derogatory towards ANY RELIGION. A lot of ya'll have attacked me for my post, and yet I have done nothing to deserve that. I posted in an off-duty section of these forums, where I can post to my heart's content as long as I am not being negative. When others post their opinions and thoughts I don't jump to criticize them, I have been brought up to respect other's opinions, even if I do not agree with them.

    EastKyFF, I can share my faith at any time, anyplace, I understand that I probably went about this the wrong way, but then again, who is perfect? NOBODY! I can't get on here and check this forum 24/7, I am a full-time college student, work 30 hours a week, am going to EMT class at night, and work at our Fire Dept. most weekends. Therefore, I can only check this forum periodically, and I posted last night, and I am replying to all that was said at the first opportunity that I had. I was not using the LODDs as leverage, I would NEVER use a fallen brother as such, I was simply making the point that you never know when it is your time.

    To all: We are supposedly a brotherhood, but there is no wonder that the fire service has the problems that we have today with the people that are quick to criticize, ridicule, and put down. That is not what the fire department is supposed to be about. I am sorry that I brought out the bad side in many, but not sorry what I posted.
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    A good question Parker, not all belive as you as seen by the venom and many do not want to think beyond tomorow. Good luck on your studies.

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    Kris:

    I'm not saying you were wrong or imperfect to post as you did. It's great to be in a nation where you can do that without being arrested. All I meant by my post was that the methods you chose were likely to be met with some negative feedback because of the factors I mentioned. I did not say or imply that you shouldn't have posted. I was just pointing out the ramifications of the path you chose.

    I felt that your mention of LODD's did little more than revive painful memories; as I said, we are all aware of our own mortality due to the amount of tragedy we witness in the field.

    I also wondered aloud whether you'd be back because some people have registered long enough to drop in, start a thread, and leave. Since you had just four posts at the time, I thought such might apply to you. I'm glad to see you will be around to chat more in depth with us all.

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    Default Not gettin rid of me....

    I felt that your mention of LODD's did little more than revive painful memories
    -My apologies for mentioning the LODD then, this was not my intention (beleive it or not!!! )

    -You don't have to worry about me going anywhere, I have been reading these forums for quite awhile now, but I have only recently registered so that I could throw in my two cents worth like everybody else. I will be around...

    -5pts, you wouldn't happen to be around here huh??
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    Default Re: Not gettin rid of me....

    Originally posted by KParker
    -To the IACOJ Chaplain, I am not trying to take over your flock.
    I never thought you were
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    I like that website you have rev, impressive...
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    Kris.

    The reason I felt it was in bad taste was simple. It denigrates the memory of Fallen Brothers and Sisters by implying that unless they were "Born Again" they are now existing in hell.

    What the heck happens when a FF dies in Sudan, Israel or Saudi Arabia?

    Before you start saying one way and one way only, do some thinking, heres a place to start. Why is it that 99% of religions and cultures have a "Noahs Ark" story as part of their belief system?
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    Question hmmm........

    . Why is it that 99% of religions and cultures have a "Noahs Ark" story as part of their belief system?
    hmm, that's a tough one kiwi, really a tough one, I would say that it is because Christianity is one of the oldest religions around, the story of Noah's Ark is a central idea in this religion, and others then use this story due to its factuality. I am not the one that says one way only. In the Bible (John 14:6 to be exact) it says "I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one gets to the Father except through Me." (Jesus speaking) He is simply saying that unless you come through Me, and My saving grace you can not be with the Father, who is in Heaven, and it does not matter who you are, rich, poor, popular, nerdy, firefighter, emt, policeman, nurse, teacher, student, bum, homeless, anybody, it doesn't matter who you are. It is very sad, heartbreaking really, but that is how it is. That is why I want to share what I know, I do not want any of my brothers to be in hell, I want to be able to spend eternity worshipping with them in Heaven. If a firefighter who is a Christian dies in Sudan or anywhere else, he will still go to Heaven, it does not matter where you are.
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    Australian Aborigines.
    Papua New Guinea
    Aztecs
    New Zealand Maori.

    Are but 4 that have had this as part of their culture for centuries b4 Christianity, even the Celtic cultures and Druid faiths throughout Europe had these beliefs.

    If a firefighter who is a Christian dies in Sudan or anywhere else, he will still go to Heaven
    That comes back to Exceedingly Bad Taste
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    Could it be the "OLD TESTAMENT" is true then? No matter what we belive it is a blessing that we can discuss this without being given a death sentence for not saying the (correct) party line.

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    I took exception to your allegation that anyone who doesn't feel as you do will go to hell. These forums were not intended to be a place for religious retoric. It is my opinion that you should take this discussion to some other site, not Firehouse.
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    I'd rather be in hell - at least I'd be getting some action.

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    *sigh* there have been days where I have thought that I was already there
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    Ok, sorry that it is so late before I could get on here and respond to a couple of things that were posted overnight, but I have been busy....anyways...

    Kiwi- Christianity has had the stoy of the Ark as part of their beliefs since nearly the beginning of time, at least since the very act happened...
    That comes back to Exceedingly Bad Taste
    I do not see how this is bad taste...sounds like a good thing to go to Heaven...

    1835Wayne- hmm...how to respond to this, all I can say is that I am sorry that you don't like what I said, but I have said nothing wrong, and I will not apologize for the truth. I understand that you may not think that this is a good discussion for this forum, but that is why I posted in the Off-Duty Discussion forum, it is a place where all could be posted, unless it is something that the webmaster dislikes to the point that he/she feels as though it should be removed.

    Julia, I sincerely hope that you are only kidding, do you realize how bad it will be in Hell? There is the saying that if firefighters went to Hell, they would only put it out, but that is only a saying. Hell will be a place of eternal torture, there will be no firefighting there, it will be like burning up in the biggest, hottest fire you have ever been in and not dying or the pain ever going away. Anyways, I think that you were just kidding, (I think) Ok, that is about all I have to add to this right now, I will be on periodically for the next several hours to check on any other additions.
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