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    Question crosslay length

    Just curious what everyone else's opinion is. Recently in our department we have gone from having two 200' crosslays and 100' on the bupmper to having one 150' and one 200' crosslay. The reasoning was that the 150' would be easier to manage. What do you have and what do you think?

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    My volunteer department runs 1- 1-3/4" in front bumper that 100' in length, 1- 1-3/4" crosslay 150' in length and 2- 2" crosslays 200' in length in addition to a 250' rear preconnect of 2-1/2". We are considering increasing one of the 200' 2" crosslays to 300' because of some decent length stretches in commercial buildings we have. Some DC area departments run 400' 1-3/4" preconnects with great success as their primary attack lines. Anything longer than 400' for an 1-3/4" preconnect loses its efficiency rather quickly and defeats the purpose with large friction losses. Just some thoughts.
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    We use 1-3/4 150 & 200ft. if we need longer we pull a 2-1/5 and use a gated "y".

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    we have the following preconnects on all front line engines:

    two 150'x1.75
    one 200'x1.75
    one 250'x2.5
    All preconnects use fog nozzles. Ackron auto for 1.75, ??? for 2.5
    We also carry 300' of 3" and 1100' of LDH(5") and a few extra rolls of attack hose.
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    Currently, our engine has as follows:

    (1) 150' - 1 3/4" pre-connect crosslay
    (1) 200' - 1 3/4" pre-connect crosslay
    (1) 250' - 2" pre-connect crosslay

    (1) 100' - 1 3/4" pre-connect off the back bed
    (1) 250' - 1 3/4" pre-connect off the back bed
    (1) 300' - 2 1/2" pre-connect off the back bed


    The 3 crosslays are what we use most of the time however we are making a change which is the opposite of what 'plugugly76' is doing. We are changing our 150' - 1 3/4" pre-connect crosslay to a 200' - 1 3/4" pre-connect crosslay that way we have two of the same length.

    Your backup line is supposed to be the same or greater than the initial attack line. So we are making both of 1 3/4" crosslays the same length.
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    On our newest engines which are rear mount pumps with ALL hose coming off rear except for a 100' 1.5" bumper line for car fires have:

    150' X 2 1.75" connected to a water thief to 600' of 3" hose (rear)
    200' preconnected 1.75" (rear)
    250' 2.5" preconnected (rear)
    300' 1" forrectry line (rear)

    reserves with midship pumps:
    100' 1.75" matydale
    200' 1.75" matydale
    150' X 2 1.75" connected to water thief (rear)
    250' 2.5" preconnected (rear)
    200' X 2 booster reels

    ladders:
    100' 1.75" matydale
    150' 1.75" matydale
    200' 1.75" matydale

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    Smile cross lays

    We have our 2 pumpers set up with two 1 3/4 200ft lays. In the rear one 1 3/4 350ft and one 2 1/2 at 200ft lay just some run info for ya we run about 150 fire calls in a year and that seems to work for us.
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    WE RUN 200' CROSSLAYS (2 OF 'EM). I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE CROSSLAYS BEING DIFFERENT LENGTHS. I KNOW THAT DRAGGING 50 LESS FEET OF HOSE IS EASIER, BUT WHAT IF YOU PULL THE ONE THAT IS TOO SHORT WHEN IT'S 0300 HRS. AND YOU ARE STILL BLURRY EYED FROM SLEEP? JUST A THOUGHT, BUT YOU STILL NEED TO USE WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU.

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    Smile Ya gotta try different things....

    Over the years we have come from 2 1in Booster Reels to 1 1/2 on reels to bumper lines and crosslays. They are crosslays in Maryland, I guess nobody can spell Mattydale here. Anyway, the current scheme is - 150 1.5 on the bumper, 2 200 1.5 and 1 250 1.5 crosslays, 1 400 1.5, 1 250 2.0, and 1 250 1.5 off the rear on the Fire engine. Everthing is the same except no 250 1.5 on the rear on the Rescue engine. Both engines have a 150 1in line also. We recently upped the 1.5 crosslays from 150 ft. to 200 ft. because all new homes are bigger and usually set back more from the street. Stay Safe....
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    We have the 100' lines for car fires. It is much safer and easier to load 100 vs 200 on a 10 lane interstate.

    If someone pulls the wrong line then there is much more to worry about than being blurry eyed. All our trucks are pretty much identical. These lines are drilled into recruits during school, and when they get out on shift they know.

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    We run the same thing that you do plug. 150ft of 1-3/4 and 200ft of 1-3/4. and 100ft of 1-1/2 in the front bumper. Orginally we run 200ft in both crosslays but we started noticing when we used them we had a lot of extra hose on the ground. Most of our structures are single family dwellings less than 2000 square ft. Most are located less than 50ft from roadway.

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    We're a small department with 2 engines both set-up the same :

    150 ' 1 3/4 " crosslay (RED color)
    200 ' 1 3/4 " crosslay (YELLOW color)
    200 ' 2 1/2 " crosslay no color code
    all with Akron turbojet automatic nozzles

    in rear hose bed, we carry 600' of 1 3/4 & 600 ' of 2 1/2. Both lays have nozzles (2 1/2 has a smoothbore) and are set-up so that we can pull whatever length needed, then break & connect to rear discharge on rear step.

    We used to run with a 100' "trashline" stuffed up on the top somewhere, but the new trucks don't have enough room for that... so now the appartus drivers are learning to park back away from the MVA or have spaghetti around the pump pannel.

    These lengths have worked really good in the past. When we got the first engine with the 2 1/2 crosslay, we flip flopped between 200 & 250', found that 200 was good for us.
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    On our first out engine the crosslays are
    Two (2) 1 3/4" 200'
    One (1) 1 3/4" 300'
    Two (2) 2 1/2" 250'
    Second engine:
    Two (2) 1 3/4" 150'
    Two (2) 2 1/2" 200'
    One (1) 1 1/2" 175' Trashline.

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    On our new engine we have,
    1-150'x 1 3/4" front bumper line with a heavy attack vindicator
    2-200'x 1 3/4" crosslays with tft
    1-200'x 2 1/2" crosslay with tft
    1-200'x 1 3/4" preconnect with saberjet with 7/8" tip
    1-200'x 2 1/2" preconnect with smoothbore with 1 1/4" tip
    1-150'x 2 1/2" preconnect with blitz attack vindicator
    1-100'x 1 1/2" booster reel with tft bubblecup

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    Default Crosslay Length

    On are crosslay we have 150feet.250feet trashline.1000feet of 5 inch.400feet of 3inch.200feet of 2 1/2 with a gated y with 100feet of 1 1/2 to the gated y.




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    First out Engine:

    Front bumper: 150' 1 3/4"
    Crosslays:
    2 200' 1 3/4"
    1 200' 2 1/2"
    Rear:
    200' 2 1/2" attack
    600' 5" LDH supply
    800' 3" supply

    Second out engine:

    2 200' 1 1/2" crosslays
    100' 1 3/4" on officers side discharge panel
    Rear is same as first out.
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    we run 2 crosslays 200' of 1 3/4 and one crosslay with 200' of 3" which doesnt get used much. this is on our new rear mount pumper. on our two other pumpers we have a 2 200' double doughnuts. and that it for pre connects on those two trucks but they are old. the one truck that was replaced was from 1969. just a little fun fact.
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    Our two fornt line pumpers have a 150ft 1 3/4 crosslay and a 200ft 1 3/4 crosslay. then on the back they have a 100ft 1 3/4 preconnect and a 100ft 2 1/2 preconnect. also carry 1050 ft of 5inch supply line.
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    Our main attack piece:
    200' 1.5"
    150' 1.75"
    200' 2.5"
    300' 3" (bomb line)
    2 -- 150' 1.75" "hi-rise" packs that are used for additional lines or Y-off the 2.5"

    The next time this truck is replaced, we'll have a much better assortment of preconnected 1.75" lines! Maybe a couple 200' and a 3 or 400' one. The high-rise pack idea just isn't as good in practice as it seemed in theory at the time.

    I still love the 1.5" for utility firefighting work -- it's noticeably easier to manuever, and unless you're going after a particularly large volume of fire, it handles most stuff you see very well.

    They are crosslays in Maryland, I guess nobody can spell Mattydale here
    Mattydales are a particular method of packing the crosslays, so you can pull the "ears" out and pull the load off from either side. It's the crosslay we use, and I'm so used to how to pack it, I can't think of how to describe it!

    They work slick, but take some discipline, otherwise you can end up with a giant rat's nest of fire hose sitting next to your truck.

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    Our two crosslays are both 200' 1 3/4"; our other preconnects are a 100' 1 1/2" bumper line, 200' 2 1/2", & a 150' 2 1/2" with a wye on it to lay into large structures.

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