OH FF Certification Levels
Does anyone else think it's time Ohio updated the training and certification level for Volunteer Firefighters?
Michigan requires their vollies to complete 240 hour Firefighter II. Why can't we? Or at least FF I.
IMHO, the current 1-A training gives us just enough knowledge to get into trouble.
Anyone else have an opinion on this?
(And before anyone jumps on me, I am a Volunteer)
"Firefighters" term used too loosely???
My feelings are that there should be an obvious and apparent differentiation among levels of firefighters. I am personally a career full time paid firefighter and am as proud of my profession as are other people that call themselves "firefighters" I don't see those in the medical field who don't complete the medical programs afforded the name of doctor or pysician, they are known as a physicians assistant, those that are not surgeons are surgical assistants. The list goes on and on such as journeyman, technician, auxilary, etc,etc. I am offended that my profession allows people who have little and sometimes no training to be known as firefighters. How about we call those who want to be "firefighters", but don't have the proper certifications or training "Firefighter assistants" or something other than firefighters???Would you go to someone for a cardiac condition and accept them as a physician and call them doctor if they only 1/8 of the training as those who complete the medical program???What do you think???
OH FF Certification Levels
My response to your post must be a problem for you, I apologize for any interpretation on your part. I am a proud IAFF Firefighter and am not ANTI-Volunteer. I was just raising another question on your topic and expressing my opinion. I just do not feel that as inherently dangerous as the job of a firefighter is that all who receive a certification of ANY level from the state should be performing the same job & duties & call themself by the same name of "firefighter". I agree that there should be more training, maybe right now there are too many certification levels????Maybe there could be mini courses or continuing education to achieve the next level of certification and duty performance. My point is the job is dangerous and safety should be priority #1, and how can it be if all levels of certification are performing the same duties and functions daily in the real world in the communities that we live in.
Maybe those who are in charge for each community, if they really care about the community and those who will respond to fire related emergencies will do the right thing and train people to the level I&II, and won't allow those with levle 1-A or B perform duties and functions that they have not been certified for.
I know that there is a need for firefighters other than full time paid career firefighters. Not all communities can afford to have career and/or paid personnel,I have no problem with those communities or those firefighters.
For those who want a better understanding of the Ohio certification levels see the Ohio Dept of Commerce web site they state that "Certified Firefighters" are those issued a certificate of completion by the division of EMS. the levels are 1-A, 1-B, 1-C, Level 1, & Level I&II. There is an in-depth explanation of these levels.
The levles of firefighters that are recognized by the Ohio Revised Code are "Permanent full-time paid", "Volunteer", & "Part-time firefighter". These are recognized as levels of employment, not certification
STANDING UP FOR THE VOLLEYS!!
OK ProFfrL474 and others its time someone tells you how it is in reality "Or at least in Volunteer Land" since you being a "Paid Firefigher" dont seem to understand.. Yeah the FF-1A class is a joke a BIG JOKE, But you learn the basics thats why its a "Basic Fire Class". The Volleys "Like Myself" that work 40+ hrs a week and are not going to Fire School and being paid like most Paid Fire Departments, I would be fired if i took enough time off to take my 240. However I do agree more training should be done and there are some things that are not in the FF-1A that should be added. But as I was told from Retired Firefighters and also "Paid Firefighters" you dont learn how to fight fire in a class room or watching a video or anything you learn it by Doing it. You take your Rookies in with you and show them just what it does and how to properly attack the fire. My Fire Dept. is all volunteer and I would like you or any of you other Apparent Volley Haters :D to see some of the stops and saves we 36hr guys have made and i have seen my guys "and gals" go in a kick some ***** and knock the fire down, and I have seen them save lives and do repeling and various other things that the stupid 240hr Class teaches. And they were tought how to do this NOT by sitting in a class room in Reynoldsburg or any other training location but by Learning from doing it and Vet Firemen. But anyways I hope that this didnt offend any Paid Firemen cause we are lucky enough to have 2 Full Time Firefighters that work on our Dept as Volleys as well.. I Guess the Paid life just isnt exciting enought for them they had to come into Volleyland. :D . Ohh and by the way about 98% of our Department is FF-1A and thats it. Thank you
Rethinking my position on this subject
As I stated in a thread almost as old as this one (that Josh has not bumped... yet):
I'm a big advocate for higher certifications for volunteers (even though I haven't made it to I-B or I-C yet) and I started a thread on this very subject back when these state forums were first put up. Since then, I have changed my opinion slightly:
The Michigan county just to the north of me requires ALL of their firefighters to complete FF II (240) within 2 years of being hired (paid) or joining (volunteers).
That being said, my department (most of us only have 36 hours) can run circles around some of their departments on the fireground. And I don't mean to sound arrogant when I say that.
I feel the reason is we have required weekly 3 hour drills that build on what we were taught in the 36 hour class and much of the info taught in FF II is learned that way.
Yes, the 240 looks great on paper and inititally you will be much better trained than a 36 hour firefighter but you must have continuing education throughout your career.
FF I or even II would be great for volunteers but I now feel that a continuing education requirement similar to EMS would be even better.