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    Default Dear Cdevoe-

    PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT SLAMMING THIS PERSON,
    I DONT EVEN KNOW HIM BUT I HAD TO SAY SOMETHING.
    I DONT WANT SOME 20+ PAGE THREAD, BUT TO MAKE A
    SMALL POINT. THANK YOU, BOU

    Dear Cdevoe-

    Sir- I have scanned and read most of your postings
    being pro-mixing drinking and duty. Being a
    Firefighter and more important, a human being, I
    simply cant figure out why???

    I have seen numerous alcohol related accidents in my
    career, lived with an alcohlic relative (please dont
    feel sorry for me) and seen the damage done. I have
    seen the college kids get wasted and pass out, all in
    the name to have fun and to fit in- What a shame!
    PLEASE understand I am NOT anti-drinking, anti-fun
    or anti-social, but believe, much like the beer makers
    and general public, it should BE RESPONSIBLE!

    Please, before you respond back with "facts",
    "traditional reasons" or some BS excuse, think about
    the actions of the drug and who it hurts.

    Maybe you have a problem? I would gladly talk to you
    about it. Please email me or I am sure someone else in
    the Firehouse.com family would step up and have an
    understanding chat with you. If not one of us, maybe
    check out www.aa.org.

    Thanks, Bou
    email- teamboneheadracing@yahoo.com
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    I too have seen the college kids who drink to get drunk and pass out. I have seen the irresponsible abuse of alcohol by many. It gives those that are responsible in their drinking a bad name. There have been many nights when I felt fine to drive. I don't . I hand the keys over to someone else.

    I don't advocate mixing drinking and duty. I do say that on many occasions it happens. I think that many like to make believe it isn't happeneing to get that feel good feeling. A neat test would be to do a BAC after every call on every responder. How about doing the same thing for people when they show up for duty. Ignoring that it is happeneing doesn't mean it isn't.

    Is anyone really checking all of the responders at the scene to see if they have alcohol or drugs in their system? Nope. It's all about pack up, charge the line, get the water source set up, watch out for the power lines. Don't get to close to the chimney, are there people inside, is the building safe to go into? Post incident the person who has drugs (which will include alcohol) in their system will either just disappear or it wil not be noticeable.

    My opinion is that one can drink and drink responsibly. A person can drink and not get drunk (hard to believe huh). All you need to do is limit the amount you drink.

    I guess I take a wider view of things. Many like to go for point solutions. It is like the DWI thing. It is easier to go after part of the problem of highway safety ratehr than attack the real and bigger problem. The real problem with highway safety and the traffic deaths are the number of poorly trained drivers on the road. Go to the NHTSA and look at the raw statistics. There is a higher correlation between age and fatal accidents than there is between fatal and alcohol. Think about it for a moment. In NYS to get a license a 16 year old kid goes in and takes a 20 question test. They get their permit. They take a 5 hour course. And then they take a 10 minute driving test around the block where they parallel park and do a 3 point turn. Pass this and you get your license for LIFE!!! You are never retested, nor do you have to show that you still have a grasp of the rules and laws. To put it in simple terms, we hand out license like they were candy.


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    Devoe, nothing in the latest rambling diatribe has anything to do with what bou is trying to tell you.

    Too fix a prolem you first need to recognize and identify the problem.
    I think you said more than you realize....
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    Drinking and Duty do not mix.

    Period, end of sentence--no argument needed--

    If you can't see the reason why, then maybe YOU have a problem.

    Stay Safe
    "When you are safe at home, you wish you were having an adventure-when you're having an adventure, you wish you were safe at home"

    --Thornton Wilder

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    Drinking and Duty do not mix.
    Absolutely. So how do you define when a person has been drinking and when they have not?

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    Originally posted by cdevoe
    So how do you define when a person has been drinking and when they have not?
    Guys, does this post tell you anything about with whom we are dealing?

    These discussions are hopeless. cdevoe is hopeless.

    Stay Safe

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    ~Here we go~

    cd--

    So your argument is that you're only drinking if you happen to be caught drinking?

    Wow--That means that if I'm a fellow FF at the Mayfield VFD and I respond with you, I have to spend time actually wondering if you've been drinking? That means I would not TRUST you because when I respond I TRUST that your judgement is unaltered and unaffected.

    That means that the public, whom you serve, can't TRUST you to save their (lives/pets/kids/home/possesions).

    That means you have violated the trust of everyone around you.

    Wow--if that is true and that is the case then the following would be true:

    I don't set fires if I'm not caught-
    I don't do drugs if I'm not caught-
    I don't steal if I'm not caught-
    I am not a terrorist if I'm not caught-

    If that is true, then you don't deserve to be a firefighter.

    I really hope that this is not the case but...........
    "When you are safe at home, you wish you were having an adventure-when you're having an adventure, you wish you were safe at home"

    --Thornton Wilder

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    So your argument is that you're only drinking if you happen to be caught drinking?
    [B]NO!!!!! Not that at all[B]. The point here was that it happens far more than some are willing to admit.

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    Thumbs down "DEAD END!"

    This is a dead-end discussion folks....if your Dept allowed it, it wouldn't be in the Regs!

    Does it happen, you bet......I watched a guy who would never concede being drunk vent a roof and walk off it in the process.

    The problem with most habitual drinkers is they never concede the fact their over the line.....until something happens.

    Stow the brew for fun times, not when someone is counting on you. There are no Supermen or Women out there whose day will not meet their match!
    "All gave some...Some gave all!"
    9/11/01 Lest we forget!
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