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    Originally posted by Dalmatian90
    If you go for a CDL-B, you have to take it in a more typical straight truck like a delivery truck or dump truck. Our members going for CDL train on & borrow for the test one of the Town Highway Department's dump trucks.
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    I got my CDL-B about 4 years after I passed my first EVOC. I actually found the EVOC to be a harder road test, but the difference is, if you knock over a cone in EVOC your time gets penalized, if you knock over a cone for DOT, you get one more try, then you fail.

    When I got my CDL I went through a school course, it was 5 days of training and 1 day to test spread out over 4 weeks. We had to self study for the written, "here's your guide book kid, good luck." From the time of application to license in hand took about 2 months.

    Much talk has been made here concerning code 3 driving, and how we need to be trained for that, but the fact is, both EVOC and AVOC were more about not hitting the cones, don't race the train, and always wear you seatbelt than want to do when the idiot in front of you doesn't see or hear you. I took AVOC about 2 years ago, a 16 hour class, maybe 2 hour of it was actually about driving an ambulance. All the rest was a driver's ed refresher.

    I've heard AVOCII is much better, locally we have a roll cage equiped ambulance with skid marks down the side to prove it, but that course is rarely offered anymore, and when it is its never close enough to me to take it.

    Cops have a great training program, at least from the videos I've seen of it, where they go out on a closed course and actually run code 3 through cones, chasing cars, ect. AVOCII is simular, but a) it is not required to drive, and b) it is rarely offered as a class.

    Do you have simular expericances?


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    My experience with the EVOC course is much different than fire304's. I think that a lot of the information in the CDL course could be totally off base when it comes to driving an emergency vehicle. I have also seen professional truck drivers who cant drive during an emergency very well. I like the idea of the EVOC and things of that nature and maybe it would be a good idea for the fire service to pursue coming up with an EVOC based class and mandating a special CDL type license geared strictly toward the fire service.

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    Going through some of the earlier posts I came across references to DUI and Drug tests.

    CDL penalties. If I get 1 DUI/DWI I loose my CDL. If you have a normal (class C) license, you usually only get a fine and manditory rehab on a 1st offense. Not that I'm planning on getting a DWI, but it is one example of stiffer penalties for CDL's.

    Drug testing, good question,

    My view on those questions:

    DUI laws in this country are way too lenient. Just this week in New mexico there was a fatal accident. One driver had a revoked licence and several convictions for DUI, he was under the influence at the time of the accident. The driver that was killed was also driving on a revoke licence, eleven prior convictions, (not known at this time whether he had been drinking at the time of the accident).
    I believe that that if you get a DUI you should lose your licence for a minimum of a year, if you are driving an emergency vehicle at the time your licence (for emegency vehicles) should be revoked for life!!.

    Random drug and alcohol testing is carried out by Los Alamos County, and you can be called in at any time and tested. some folks think its an infringement, but I say its a good thing helps to keep joe public that much safer.

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    In the UK the CDL is called HGV (Heavy Goods Vehicle) You have to have this licence to drive any vehicle over a certain weight. Fire apparatus comes within the sphere of the HGV regs and all fire apparatus drivers have to pass the same test that a civvy driver would have to. in addition the LFB drivers have to go on the skid pan and do other things that the Civvy drivers dont. makes for a better driver.

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    I like the idea of taking the CDL along with other drivers course's is the more training the better chance you won't run through a red light at 100-mph and kill someone. I am lucky I have 22 yrs of legal driving of large trucks and 4 yrs of not having the proper lic. I have also hauled everything from dirt to Explosives and some of those neat ones that glow. Yes experience is the best to have. I feel that at least if you pass some the other tests for driving you should have a better idea that a 50,000 # truck will not stop very fast.
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    Originally posted by protomkv

    DUI laws in this country are way too lenient. Just this week in New mexico there was a fatal accident. One driver had a revoked licence and several convictions for DUI, he was under the influence at the time of the accident.
    You were quoting me about the DUI thing, I was pointing out that penalties for all driving infractions were stiffer for CDL, not just DUI.

    Since we are on the subject. I did a little research, and shorten this to the relavent parts:
    New Mexico State Code
    66-5-39. Driving while license suspended or revoked; providing penalties.

    Any person who drives a motor vehicle on any public highway of this state at a time when his privilege to do so is suspended or revoked... is guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction, be punished by imprisonment for not less than four days or more than three hundred sixty-four days and there may be imposed in addition a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000)... If the person's privilege to drive was revoked for driving while under the influence of intoxicating liquor or drugs... that person shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than seven consecutive days... and the fine and imprisonment shall not be suspended, deferred or taken under advisement.


    Sound like the problem is not the law, its the courts, up to 1 year in jail is permited just for the suspended lic, nevermind the DUI half of things. How much time did this guy serve when his ticket was pulled? If your state has a three strikes or habitual offender law, they might also qualify under that.

    There are plenty of laws out there that are just fine, the problem is that the courts are too lenient on criminals. Send the SOB to jail, let his sit for a year and consider what he/she did. If they come out and do it again, send them back, for longer this time.

    Random drug and alcohol testing is carried out by Los Alamos County
    Does this include volly departments? If so Cudos. We have a hard enough time getting everyone in for manditory fit testing, I doubt random screenings would be very popular.

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    It is all about safety and reducing the number of accidents. So, i am always good with it.

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    We I usually find is that drivers with CDL licenses want it required. Those who do not already have it, think that it should not be required. I think with all the training we are now required to take to meet state regulations, adding a CDL to it is too much to ask.

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    I think requiring CDL's will not do much at all. The reason commercial drivers have a better record is not their CDL training, it's the mileage and experience they have. Having a CDL then driving less than 100 miles a year will not help our apparatus accident rates in my eyes, on top of costing a ton of money. Of course all FD's should already have a driver training program that ensures the drivers have proper training on each apparatus and their limitations and systems.

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    More going on here than meets the eye. I have held a CDL for over 20 years, and drove Over-The-Road for ten before retiring. Beginning last Spring, The State of Pennsylvania and the FHSA want to have EVERY commercial driver on a drug test schedule. This is not a problem for full time employees, since the employer is making enough from their services to pay for the costs of random drug testing. Since I am licensed as a CDL driver my part time employer (I may drive his equipment 10 to 20 times per year for a couple of hours each) is now expected to have me enrolled in a random drug testing program ($) from a "certified" provider, and then pay for the tests. I'm already paying a higher than everyone else rate for my license, I am subjected to a more stringent standard than other drivers, and thenext thing will be that the Fire company will need to join this service (random testing) to satisfy the Fed. & State requirements. Just another way to force a small employer into more expense.

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