01-10-2003, 05:17 AM #26ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
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01-10-2003, 06:59 AM #27
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- Ga. Power Co./ Juliette Ga
Ok Chiefknow don't forget to thank the other Engine Companies for running a clean fire! And don't forget the Pit Stops (Rehab) for being there and being quick.
01-10-2003, 07:19 AM #28
Imagine pulling up to an overturned with entrapment...and the horror on people's faces when they see THIS across the bag of your rig...
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01-10-2003, 08:12 AM #29
How about this? Many years ago, there was a Fram Oil Filter commercial that captured another concept of paying. The commercial opened up with a man standing at a service station/auto repair shop holding a $4.95 oil filter in his left hand. In an authoritative voice he says “You can pay me now” and raises the $4.95 filter “or pay me later” as his right hand indicates a wrecker pulling an automobile into the service station/repair shop with a blown engine which will cost hundreds of dollars to repair. The message is simple and graphic: if we fail to pay a little up front, we will pay a lot down back.Non Volunteering Volunteer (Retired)
01-10-2003, 10:54 AM #30Originally posted by ffemt1
Don't know him, is he a friend of yours?
No, don't even smoke, do you?
No, maybe a mixed drink a couple of times a year, but nothing more. Do you drink?
Are you paid when you are a firefighter? Or does your department contract with a governmental body? What about a Fire Act grant? Did you get one? Where does that money come from? Ever hear of sin tax? Tobacco and alcohol are two of the biggest taxpayers in our society. So unless you, and your department run TOTALLY from donations, you are ALREADY taking tobacco and alcohol money, it just SEEMS cleaner because it is laundered by the government.
I am a career, ie., paid firefighter...my salary is paid by the taxpayers of the City of Marlborough with some local aid from the State. Yes, we did get a Fire Act grant...I wrote it! My Fire Department got $264K in the firefighting operations and safety category. We are doing a complete replacement of our SCBA units and going to LDH.
I pay tax on the alcoholic beverages that I purchase and consume.
It seems that most of our incidents are caused by those who use tobacco and alcohol, so the "sin tax" is helping pay for the services we provide.
Ever enjoy "watching" a NASCAR race? Or do you only watch the ones that have teams that do not get tobacco money?
I am a car nut, but I am not "into" racing. Most Nascar teams are owned by multimillionaires, who love sponsorships of all kinds because they do not have use a lot of their own personal fortune to have their fun and make money...isn't America great?
By the way, what's next? Advertising for Chico's Bail Bonds on the back of your Department's turnouts?
Do you order EVERYTHING you see advertised? Do you believe everything you are told by sales employees? Are you a zombie to the commercial? Ever hear of free will?
In order, no, no, no and yes. I do research before making major purchases.
May 19, 1979 - Mother died after smoking for 25+ years
June 3, 1979 - TWO weeks after Mother died, Father dies after 25+ years of smoking, and after suffering for 7 years with cancer. Because I am the oldest son, I was the Executor of their estate, so I probably have seen more, and have a more personal experience with the effects of tobacco, than you have.
You have my sympathies and condolences. I think that this would in fact make you more against having tobacco companies pay to advertise on fire apparatus.
I believe there is a BIG different between "looking" like a professional, and "performing" like one. I will let my performance on the job determine whether I am a Professional or not.
Professionalism is an attitude....not a look, not a paycheck. If you are not going to be professional when performing fire duties, don't even bother showing up...you are doing a disservice to the people you have sworn to protect.
It looks like the difference in our line of thought is that I believe in personal responsibility, and you don't.
As a fire officer, I do beleive in personal responsibility. I am also responsible for the safety of the personnel...it's part of the responsibilities of command.
I don't blame the tobacco companies for the deaths from cancer. Do you?
The tobacco companies known for years that smoking and chewing tobacco causes cancer. They have seen the handwriting on the wall...why do you think they are diversifying into the food industry, ie, Phillip Morris (who owns Kraft foods, Miller Brewing, etc.) and RJR Nabisco (got Oreos?). Phillip Morris has even changed their corporate name to the Altria Group to get away from the "image".
Why don't the tobacco companies put out the list of ingredients in and their products? If I buy a package of Hostess Twinkies, everything that is in it is on the label according to FDA regulations...tobacco products should be required to list the ingredients and additives.
I don't blame the alcohol companies for drunk driving. Do you? I don't blame the gun manufacturers for shooting deaths. Do you?
I don't blame McDonald's for the burn you get when you spill coffee on your crotch while trying to drive. Do you? I don't blame the fast food industry for people being overweight. Do you?
No, I do not blame the alcohol companies, gun manufacturers, Mickey D's for someone's stupidity with a cup of joe or the fast food industry for making people fat. I do, however, blame the legal system for allowing people to sue others for the result of their own stupidity and in fact, we are to blame ourselves, because we make up the juries that hand out these ridiculous multimillion dollar awards!
I TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
So do I.
In reference to "bovine scatology"
NICE . . . VERY NICE . . . I am impressed. How long did that take you, and how many people do you think will look that up?
As for how many people will look it up....if you think that the people who make up Firehouse.com forum community do not have intelligence....boy are you wrong!
Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 01-10-2003 at 04:53 PM."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
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01-10-2003, 12:59 PM #31
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- Pea Ridge, Arkansas
You guys are hilarious... you should do stand up... IN A PADDED CELLChief Frank Rizzio
Pea Ridge Fire Dept.
Pea Ridge AR. 72751
01-10-2003, 09:46 PM #32
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- Nov 2001
I have read this thread twice. ffemt, I sincerely hope that you would not want an alcohol or tobacco company plastering its name across your fire engine. There is a reason why these companies cannot advertise in newspapers and magazines and billboards.
I checked your profile and you have been in the Fire Services for 27 years. In all that time, I am sure you have seen a few MVA's.
Let me give you a scenario. As you pull up to the scene of an accident with your bottle of Heinken plastered across your engine, you see a head-on crash. Both vehicles are completely destroyed. You race to the first one and see two kids inside and their mother at the wheel. 30 minutes later, you are finally able to pull a dead 2 year old boy and his dead baby sister out of the first car. Their mother is barely alive but lives long enough to see the beer bottle on your truck. The other driver is getting a bandaid on his forehead as he was so intoxicated his body absorbed the crash. What happens when the father arrives on the scene and sees his family and your truck and the drunk who killed his family?
Somehow, I do not think there is any justification for having advertising on your fire engine.
On a side note, my condolences on the loss of your parents.
Capt Gonzo, You pretty much summed it up. I could not have said it any better.
ffemt I will only add that you should take a few minutes to look at the resumes of these men and women here in the forums. You will find a group of intelligent, articulate, witty people. This is an incredible group of people.
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01-11-2003, 01:00 AM #33
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- Flanders, NJ
Bound Brook buys into a new advertising age
Friday, January 10, 2003
BY DINA GUIRGUIS AND MATTHEW J. DOWLING
The next health inspection in Bound Brook could be brought to you, in part, by your favorite fast food joint.
In an unprecedented move, officials in the Somerset County borough have signed a one-year contract to place advertisements on some municipal vehicles. In exchange, the town will get an assortment of vehicles -- including a garbage truck -- for the rock-bottom price of $1 a piece.
Bound Brook is the first community in New Jersey to sign on with Government Acquisitions Inc. of North Carolina, and it did so for the same reason as 1,300 municipalities across the country -- the money.
"Bound Brook was devastated by Hurricane Floyd in 1999," Borough Administrator Thomas Brodbeck said. "We would not be able to purchase these vehicles without their (Government Acquisitions Inc.) assistance."
Aware of the concern about putting ads on police vehicles, Bound Brook officials asked to acquire any kind of vehicle except police cars. Ken Allison, president of Government Acquisitions Inc., said Bound Brook was the first municipality to make that request.
Borough officials have asked for a new garbage truck, a car for the Division of Code Enforcement, one for the DARE program and two multipurpose utility vehicles for fire safety education. It has also requested a vehicle for the fire chief, one for the Office of Emergency Management and one for the Mobile Incident Command unit.
"If all this works out, we are going to get $700,000 worth of vehicles and equipment at a bottom line cost of $9," said Mike Marcinczyk, one of the borough's code enforcement officers.
On the same day Bound Brook announced its agreement, the Assembly Law and Public Safety Committee unanimously approved a bill prohibiting ads on police cars, firetrucks and ambulances.
Assemblyman Peter Barnes (D- Middlesex), who also serves as the police director in Edison, proposed the legislation after the mayor of North Brunswick suggested putting ads on township police cruisers. He said any type of commercialization of patrol cars would diminish the respect police officers need to command while on the job.
"It would become very unprofessional for a car to be driven down the street with people laughing at them," Barnes said. "We have enough problems in law enforcement without creating that."
North Brunswick Mayor David Spaulding endured a torrent of criticism from law enforcement officials last year when he proposed ads on police cars. Spaulding called Barnes' legislation a "foolish law" that could cost municipalities revenue.
"He wants to cost people money," Spaulding said. "Who is he to tell us what we can do with all cars? He's overstepping his bounds."
If approved, Barnes' legislation would prevent towns from putting ads on cars used by the fire chief or other emergency responders, but it would not bar them from placing advertisements on other vehicles, such as a mayor's car or those used by building or health inspectors.
"If the mayor of North Brunswick wants to advertise Viagra on his personal car, he can go ahead," Barnes said.
Spaulding applauded Bound Brook's contract for nonemergency vehicles, adding that his town is also looking at placing ads on its municipal vehicles. Several potential advertisers or "sponsors" have already contracted the township, Spaulding said, declining to identify the companies.
Officials in Elizabeth Township, Pa., -- a town of 15,000 people near Pittsburgh -- turned to the police car advertisements in October to avoid the massive expense of replacing its fleet of marked patrol cars.
"We needed 15 new police cars," Chief Bob Wallace said. "That's a significant hit for our taxpayers."
Wallace said there were some mixed reviews when the idea was introduced, but ultimately the economic benefit won over people who had objections.
"We're not wild about advertising for someone," Wallace said. "But we're talking about $23,000 (per car). It takes a huge burden off our taxpayers."
Government Acquisition was formed in August to help municipalities find a cheap way to get new police cars, Allison said. "Police departments have been going to local business, mainly car dealerships, and asking for endorsements. It's just done on a larger scale now."
Allison rules out any inappropriate ads, such as ads for tobacco, firearms or alcohol. On police cars, companies like Krispy Kreme or Dunkin' Donuts are not advertised, and other questionable ads, such as those for politicians, Hooters restaurant or Viagra, also aren't accepted.
"We work with all kinds of nonprofit organizations ... and national, regional and local businesses," Allison said.
In addition, Allison's company works with town officials on the type of advertising and its layout on the vehicle. Ads can be placed anywhere from the hood to the trunk to the side paneling and are either conservative or themed.
"It sounds innovative," said Bill Dressel, executive director of the New Jersey League of Municipalities. "We've had ads on billboards, recreation centers and park benches. There's a history of private sectors with ads on public properties."
01-11-2003, 01:05 AM #34
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- Flanders, NJ
Here is a copy of the text of the bill which,if passed, would prohibit this nonsense in NJ.
ASSEMBLY, No. 3105
STATE OF NEW JERSEY
INTRODUCED DECEMBER 16, 2002
Assemblyman PETER J. BARNES, JR.
District 18 (Middlesex)
Assemblyman PATRICK DIEGNAN, JR.
District 18 (Middlesex)
Assemblywoman Previte, Assemblymen Fisher, Payne, Egan, Chivukula, Guear, Caraballo and Johnson
Prohibits advertisements on county and municipal police, first-aid, and fire vehicles.
CURRENT VERSION OF TEXT
An Act prohibiting advertisements on certain county and municipal vehicles and supplementing chapter 14 of Title 40A of the New Jersey Statutes.
Be It Enacted by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey:
1. Notwithstanding any law, rule or regulation to the contrary, no county or municipal law enforcement agency or emergency service organization in the State of New Jersey shall operate any vehicle or apparatus with any advertisement, including but not limited to, any display, sign, lettering, symbol, name, trademark, label, brand, drawing, or any other description, real or implied, which is intended to invite or draw the attention of the public to goods, merchandise, property, business, services, entertainment, amusement, or any commercial message or activity, positioned in any manner on the vehicle or apparatus, except for any distinguishing identification number or label, serial number, or mark on any vehicle or apparatus.
As used in this section:
"County or municipal law enforcement agency" means and includes, but is not limited to, a county or municipal police department or force, a county corrections department or a county sheriff's office.
"Emergency service organization" means a fire or first aid organization, whether organized as a paid or part-time paid fire department and force, volunteer fire company, volunteer fire department, fire district or duly incorporated volunteer first aid, emergency or volunteer ambulance or rescue squad association.
2. This act shall take effect immediately.
This bill would prohibit any county or municipal law enforcement agency or emergency service organization in the State of New Jersey from operating any vehicle or apparatus with any advertisement, including but not limited to, any display, sign, lettering, symbol, name, trademark, label, brand, drawing, or any other description, real or implied, which is intended to invite or draw the attention of the public to goods, merchandise, property, business, services, entertainment, amusement, or any commercial message or activity, positioned in any manner on the vehicle or apparatus, except for any distinguishing identification number or label, serial number, or mark on any vehicle or apparatus.
As used in this bill a "county or municipal law enforcement agency" is defined as, but is not limited to, a county or municipal police department or force, a county corrections department or a county sheriff's office. "Emergency service organization" means a fire or first aid organization, whether organized as a paid or part-time paid fire department and force, volunteer fire company, volunteer fire department, fire district or duly incorporated volunteer first aid, emergency or volunteer ambulance or rescue squad association.
01-11-2003, 01:15 AM #35
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- Jul 1999
- Flanders, NJ
Oh yeah, two random thoughts;
1. Q: "Would you put advertising on your truck for $100,000?
Q: "How about for $1?"
A: "No way, what do you think we are, a bunch of whores?"
Q: I think that has already been established. We're just dickering over a price.
2. My wife, (an ED nurse) had a coffee mug at work from a casket company. Inappropriate, but funny.
01-12-2003, 03:31 PM #36
Great tongue in cheek humor, George!
On the casket company coffee mug story...picture this scenario happen..
Engine company goes to a medical...cardiac arrest, patient in asystole, CPR performed, patient doa at the hospital.
The person working for the florist delivering flowers to the funeral home: a firefighter.
One of the ushers at the funeral home: a firefighter
The gravediggers at the cemetery: firefighters
One of the mourners who knew the person who died and knew the firefighters made the statement " now that's what I call service!"
Last edited by CaptainGonzo; 01-12-2003 at 11:09 PM."The education of a firefighter and the continued education of a firefighter is what makes "real" firefighters. Continuous skill development is the core of progressive firefighting. We learn by doing and doing it again and again, both on the training ground and the fireground."
Lt. Ray McCormack, FDNY
01-12-2003, 10:51 PM #37
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- Oct 2001
New York State companies, be careful what you put on your ambulance... The DOH has a policy statement to clarify the licensure requirements:
"The name (or d.b.a.) of the licensed entity as it appears on the DOH Ambulance Service Certificate must be displayed predominately, larger than any other name, in letters greater than three inches and in a manner that does not confuse the identity of the actual licensed operator.
Any other name displayed (hospital, industrial corporation, etc.) must be smaller in size (letters less than three inches) and secondary in relationship to the name of the licensee.
The statement 'Operated for' may be used, as appropriate, to indicate a relationship to the second entity.
Any labeling design which includes a second name is subject to the approval of the Department. Services are requested to submit actual or conceptual designs to the Bureau of EMS for prior approval."
01-13-2003, 03:06 PM #38
Most of these cities are prohibiting "vice" ads on the vehicles, so the tobacco-booze argument is probably moot.
But I reiterate my initial point that if the people won't pay for what they need, we shouldn't have to whore ourselves to get it. If they want us to keep the '54 Seagrave until 2054, they'll see the error of their ways when something burns down because we had to try to put it out with a parade truck. (Note: None of this applies to my territory; our folks do well for us and we have nothing older than an '86.)
If a govt. wants to have ads on trash trucks to spend that money on fire trucks, that's a little different, since it's not a lifesaving service.“I am more than just a serious basketball fan. I am a life-long addict. I was addicted from birth, in fact, because I was born in Kentucky.”
― Hunter S. Thompson
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