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    Exclamation Warning- New threating devices. Please read.

    This was just released from a Northern California
    fire department. They sound cheap and easy to make.
    Please pass along.

    -Bou

    A safety message from Rocklin, CA Fire
    who responded to a home with a suspicious device
    in the backyard. Upon arrival Kurt Snyder met with
    Rocklin Police who stated that in the backyard
    was a Sprite can with a nail sticking out of one
    end and the other end had been removed and then
    taped back on. The Rocklin officer found the can
    to be suspicious enough to have the E.O.D. team
    come out and take a look. Although you feel a
    sense of going overboard, they shut down the
    surrounding roadways and evacuated the neighboring
    homes.

    The E.O.D. team arrived and visualized the device.
    They immediately stated that this device was more
    than likely a legitimate explosive, based on
    previous devices found which were similar in nature.
    The device was x-rayed and found to contain explosives.
    The E.O.D. team proceeded to detonate the device in
    place with a water cannon. It definitely made a big
    boom!

    After further discussion with E.O.D. members, they
    stated that they have been seeing these types of
    devices in the Sacramento area. Usually in a
    soda or beer can, a nail is protruding from one end.
    The can is packed with a primer, paper, battery and
    explosive, it is taped up with duct tape or similar
    material. When tossed ( sometimes out of a vehicle,
    likely in this case) the heavier end of the can hits
    the ground first, the nail is struck and sets off
    the primer "bang". These device usually has enough
    power to remove a limb or kill an adult size person.

    This device was found in the backyard of an average
    home. It was noticed when a mother was letting her 6
    year old daughter out to play. The only reason this
    device did not detonate on its own, was that it
    landed on the lawn and did not strike the firing pin
    (nail) hard enough. Lets be heads up on calls.

    Has anyone run across this type of device?

    B/C Keith Burson
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    6900 Eureka Road
    Granite Bay, CA 95746
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    Never seen or heard of anything like this. This is very scary though. Thank goodness the mother in the story recognized the potential problem.

    Thanks for sharing.
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    well it is things like this that just make our job EASIER ! what will the sickos think of next ............SHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
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    Originally posted by Weruj1
    well it is things like this that just make our job EASIER ! what will the sickos think of next ............SHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
    Unfortunetly, the imagination can run wild.... we will see more of these things around for sure!
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    Default Possible Hoax

    On my first reading of this, I thought, what else do we have to look out for in our jobs (or volunteer work).

    Then I read it again, and noticed that there is no reference to date, time or even a notice of who reported the incident (as in reporter). The only reference to a name is the initial responding officer "Kurt Snyder".

    Now we have all seen our share of chain letters, urban legends and virus hoaxes. Although I will not discount the possiblity (meth lab operators will do just about anything), it seems a little far fetched for me to believe 100% just yet.

    Just my 1 cent.

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    http://www.rocklin.ca.gov/fire/fire.html

    There's a Kurt Snyder listed on their department website but I wasn't able to find any news articles about it (doesn't mean there aren't any articles out there, just that I couldn't find any).

    I don't think its a hoax, of course, I could be wrong .... but my gut says not a hoax, I've seen a lot of hoaxes on the internet and this doesn't have the same feel.
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    My first thought was also "urban legend". I searched snopes.com and one other urban legend website and there was no listing yet. I have a feeling this will go the way of "spunkball" and the maglite scare.

    One thing that you all must remember. This is not a secure site. You should never, ever, ever discuss the specifics of any type of explosive or incendiary device. Anyone can read this. Therre is a world full of idiots out there.

    One last thing to remember is that these devices are never, ever , ever to replicated. I have heard of fire fighters trying to provide "training" and built functional explosive devices. Please be aware that this is an incredibly dangerous and arguably illegal practice.

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    Default Little extra info...

    Hey guys- This email to me was an offical
    notice from my department. As far as I am
    concerned, it is real. I live close to
    Rocklin and will try to investigate more.
    There was a phone number tagged onto the
    email, but I deleted it for obvious reasons.

    -Bou

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    This was just released from a Northern California Department
    That's what you said Bou, so I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.
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    hoax or not, anything suspicious should be approached with caution.
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    I realize that details have been left out for the benefit of the posting, but I did a search on the internet and could not find anything about this. Also, in my job (Network Administrator) I see a lot of hoaxes, urban legends, and actual viruses. When I read something like this, my inital thought was hoax. Like others, I will do more research.

    I agree that regardless if this one is a hoax or for real, any unknown situation should be approached cautiously. Especially when dealing with meth labs.

    I know of a first responder (cannot remember if he was LEO or FF), but they entered a meth lab. Since the lights were out, he saw a flashlight on the table (one that uses the big lantern type batteries). He was about to turn it on and he said the balance did not feel right.

    The bomb squad boys showed up and dismantled it. It contained an explosive mix with enough power to cause considerable damage.

    I had this device in my hands, and saw what was inside and it scared me to think that it is so common an item that anyone could have picked it up, even those that have been taught not to touch anything.

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    I've run my news resources regarding this incident...and came up empty.

    As others have noted....play it safe. Call the experts! It's nice when everyone goes home safe...this shift and all those to come!
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    Hey guys- This email to me was an offical
    notice from my department. As far as I am
    concerned, it is real. I live close to
    Rocklin and will try to investigate more.
    There was a phone number tagged onto the
    email, but I deleted it for obvious reasons.
    I know of a first responder (cannot remember if he was LEO or FF), but they entered a meth lab. Since the lights were out, he saw a flashlight on the table (one that uses the big lantern type batteries). He was about to turn it on and he said the balance did not feel right. The bomb squad boys showed up and dismantled it. It contained an explosive mix with enough power to cause considerable damage.
    Please email me the name of the Bomb Squad and the Bomb Squad Commanders who were responsible for these calls. I will have our Bomb Squad contact them directly to verify these incidents.

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    We had a call, and it is the honest to god truth.

    Had a call for a possible explosive device.
    Couldn't tell you what it looked like our chief wouldn't let
    us off the trucks.

    Anyway, seems a woman was walking down the road. She saw something on the curb and picked it up and carried it home. Showed it to her daughter who said it looks like a bomb. Bomb squad was called detonated it in their little trailer. They told our chief it was actually a bomb and it had enough power it could have killed her and her daughter. I don't think I will pick up anything on the side of the road.

    Question how do they tell how much power a bomb had?
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    another example, couple of weeks ago i worked a standby for a motorcross event. during the races someone threw one of those glass vial stink bombs down into where the motorcycle riders stage at. luckily it was just a stink bomb but it easily could've turned out to be something else.

    that is the worst thing, everyday things becoming dangerous objects, hidden right under our noses out in the open.
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    Does anyone have a Department SOG that they use for this for situations like this one, we recently had a few Drano bombs thrown in a front yard and we had a member wanting to diffuse them by taking his personal gun and using it to shoot a hole in the bottle, to make a long story short that in no way happened and the bomb squad was called and they took care of the problem, what bothers me is if this type of person was the senior person in charge with no SOG to go by, he might have made a big mistake. And for the record is person is not a police officer

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    Does anyone have a Department SOG that they use for this for situations like this one, we recently had a few Drano bombs thrown in a front yard and we had a member wanting to diffuse them by taking his personal gun and using it to shoot a hole in the bottle, to make a long story short that in no way happened and the bomb squad was called and they took care of the problem, what bothers me is if this type of person was the senior person in charge with no SOG to go by, he might have made a big mistake. And for the record is person is not a police officer
    You don't need a SOG. It is a crime scene that presents an immediate danger to your crews safety and health. Get away.

    Did you notice where the bomb guys were standing? Did you notice the obsession with safety and redundancy? There is a reason.

    Rule 1: If you can see the bomb, the bomb can see you.

    The guy with the gun idea ought to undergo a psych exam. He's dangerous.

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    From Yahoo news January 15th;

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...nada_grenade_1
    Quote:
    WINNIPEG, Manitoba - Winnipeg police have a favor to ask of anyone looking to get rid of a live hand grenade don't drop it off at the front desk.

    Part of police headquarters was evacuated Monday when Melvin McDonald, 79, showed up the front desk with a World War II grenade he had kept for years as a souvenir. The war veteran said he wanted to get rid of it.

    "His opening line was, 'I got a grenade,'" Constable Gerry Bernas said. "I knew he wasn't kidding."

    The bomb squad and fire department were called and most of the main floor of the Public Safety Building was evacuated.

    McDonald apologized after the bomb squad took the grenade away.

    Police asked people with grenades or other explosive to let police come and take the explosives away, rather than dropping them off.

    "Please don't drop it off on our front counter," Police Constable Bob Johnson said. "


    Better to error on the safe side, you never know now days.

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