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    Smile What Direction????????

    Hi All-

    I am new to this forum, I am a Coordinator of a Fire Dept.-Based Dive-Rescue Team. We are relatively new, having formed app. 2 yrs. ago. We got our equipment from grant $'s and currently use Viking Drysuits, w/ AGA Full face and wireless comms. I am pretty proud of the dedication our team has shown. We currently have a Dive Trainer on the team who certifies and runs our monthly training.
    Since the inception of the Team we have done nothing more than emphasize the basics, call-out, response, witness interview, dress-out and operations.
    My question is, where should we go from here? I had considered ice diving but feel that we need to get better at our open water skills first. I also thought about swifwater and ice rescue. Could any other teams provide some input?
    If it helps you out, we are in the midwest, we get fairly cold winters, we do have afew low-head dams, and a river runs through our city.
    Thanks


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    Default More training is a safe direction

    I understand your position since I too help coordinate the activities on our department's dive team. I think that offering varied training helps to add some "excitement" to the team and keeps people interested in being a team member.

    Certainly, history has shown that strong "basic scuba skills" go a long way in preventing dive related accidents and injuries. Frequent opportunities to dive are key to preventing injuries and accidents. The challenge is conducting training opportunities on a frequent basis without having them become boring. Underwater obstacle courses in a swimming pool can offer challenges while assisting team members with problem solving skills and gaining experience with dive team equipment.

    Before you move on to "ice diving," your team members have to be competent and comfortable underwater, and this only comes from frequent exposure to diving.

    Surface Ice Rescue and Swiftwater Rescue will certainly help members maintain physical fitness and establish higher comfort levels amongst your team members. There are specialty programs which can assist in maintaining team interest and improving competency. Med Dive, Underwater Investigation, Dry Suit, Diving in Polluted Environments, Lift Bag & Light Salvage are some that come to mind.

    You might check with Dive Rescue International for a list of other programs.

    In your original post, you also mentioned that you have a dive trainer on your team. I am curious to know what certifying scuba agency he is affiliated with. Please feel free to reply "off list." Of the past eight public safety diving fatalities, six of them (75%) were in the "training" mode. Evidence points out that a "trainer" might have "experience" but not necessarily "good experience" in teaching public safety divers. I will have an opportunity to discuss this issue with OSHA next week and was looking for additional insight.

    Safe diving!

    Blades Robinson
    Marine FTO, Indian River County (FL) Fire Rescue
    Executive Director, International Association of Dive Rescue Specialists

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    Al lot of the questions that you pose were discussed on a diving forum a while back. You may want to check out www.scubaboard.com
    It is an excellent forum with some really knowlegable divers. I am a new diver myself (PADI OW) so this section of the Forum really interests me.
    Randy...

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    Sounds like you guys are moving in the right direction already Firemedic. Ice diving is a necessary training proceedure if you live in the north. If your guys are inexperianced in this area, I suggest maybe a surface ice rescue course to get them started before you go cutting triangles in the ice. Uphere in central New York, we plan on several cold water and ice dives in the winter months to keep our team members ready in case of an incident.
    By the way, you got to hook me up with your grant connections. I have been searching the web for info on grant $$ for a few months now with little luck. Most of us on the County team here have our own equipment and our funding is limited. Hell I'm still using a wetsuit yearround. We still use the AGAs but, A Viking drisuit would be a warm welcomed upgrade.
    John Burgan
    Diver/EMT-D
    Onondaga County Firefighters Underwater Search and Rescue Team

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    Iceburg,

    Sounds like you guys have some really nice equip.. As a Swift water rescue instructor I would say you need to get some training in top water stuff especially if you have lowhead dams in your area. If your like us in southern Ohio most of the time the water level is low but its those high times that get you. I think ice rescue is another need for you folks up north. Let me know if I can help with training needs.
    I am also interested in where you got your grant money.

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