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    Originally posted by Oushore
    As far as all this duct tape and plastic sheeting goes... People need to get a grip. Lowes Hardware in Maryland was selling 15 dollar rolls of plastic for 156 dollars... At one point, they said you couldn't buy bottled water in DC.. The end result to all this is going to alot of rich store managers, and a thousands of people with a house full of junk that they'll never use and can't take back!
    This Duct and Cover rhetoric is just a conspiracy between the media and the retail industry!!! I dunno...maybe they think people buying $156 rolls of plastic will help boost the economy or something...

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    bones, maybe some duct tape might help New haven's budget. Destefano is threatening to lay off cops and FF.
    Duct tape his mouth shut?
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    “The challenges we face as a nation ... are not going to be solved by duct tape,”
    Doesnt he know that duct tape is like the force? It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together!
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    Default Re: Don't forget about N. Korea!

    Originally posted by ChiefReason
    It was just announced that North Korea may have missiles capable of reaching the United States, but let's not get too worried. We have to give them a reason to use it. Right? Right?
    And don't forget; the FBI has said that there are a few Al-Quaida cells that they haven't been able to find. No problem?
    And do I need to remind you that there are still people in this country who are peed off about the Civil War?
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    I don't take any of this lightly, I just take the "duct tape and plastic" idea lightly...Like I said, I've got the supplies of food, water, etc. (most notably, ammunition) built up just in case.

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    One of the goals of Terrorist's is to panic the people. They are accomplishing this goal every day. Being on a "Heightened Terror Alert" for over a week, you cannot read a newspaper or turn on the TV without hearing about the latest targets or plots recieved through "Inteligence". The public resaponds to these reports with knee-jerk reactions. They do not think about what they are doing or how it looks to the rest of the world. Every action-adventure novel read these days include terrorist activity. All any terrorist has to do to get an idea is read a Tom Clancy Novel. The idea that we can protect ourselves with duct tape and plastic is just another example of how crazy we get when we hear these reports. NYC Mayor Bloomberg was just on the 6:00 news saying don't seal yourselves in your homes, get outside and do your normal activites. He can't be any more correct in his thinking. The Mayor of the city that was the scene of the worst terrorist crime in history is saying don't let them win. I agree with the Mayor. Be alert to what the current situation is but do not let it run your life. When you do they win, we loose and we look like idiots to anyone with commen sense.

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    Default Re: Did you get your Duct Tape?

    Originally posted by E40FDNYL35
    Are you ready at your own home????
    Plastic got it
    Duct Tape got it
    Flash Light several
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    Mask Um--no.
    I have actually had the above for quite some time as a general precaution. The street I live on dead ends because of a rail road so I've had these for "shelter in place" for like 5 years now. I doubt I'll ever use them but I have a reputation to keep.
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    Kinda hard to dispute it when you see it with your own eyes, thanks for the link E40 .....

    Shelter-in-place Fact Sheet
    If you are advised by local officials to "shelter in place," what they mean is for you to remain inside your home or office and protect yourself there. Close and lock all windows and exterior doors. Turn off all fans, heating and air conditioning systems. Close the fireplace damper. Get your disaster supplies kit, and make sure the radio is working. Go to an interior room without windows that's above ground level. In the case of a chemical threat, an above-ground location is preferable because some chemicals are heavier than air, and may seep into basements even if the windows are closed. Using duct tape, seal all cracks around the door and any vents into the room. Keep listening to your radio or television until you are told all is safe or you are told to evacuate. Local officials may call for evacuation in specific areas at greatest risk in your community.
    EJS I just said the basically the same thing in another thread about panic ...

    http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=45889

    I'm confused by a few things though. Where does Red Cross get there information from? And why, as firefighters, is there some of you saying its ok (the Red Cross included) to duct tape an interior room, but others of you say that is very dangerous to do. So what's the real deal? Helpppppp!
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    In my eyes, and as it has sort of been said before, this is just government reassurance that backfired. Of course they have to say something, it's jsut that we don't swallow "duct and cover" as well as we did "duck and cover." Just like the 50s, where you could choose to be a charred American or a charred American curled up into a ball, the duct tape thing is really just fluff designed to make us feel better and go on with our lives. It's a pretty moronic idea, though, and whoever came up with it certainly awakened a bigger hive of bees than they thought they would. I really don't give a crap. You'd think people would a.) be smart enough to see through it, and b.) realize that in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if the government tells us to duct tape our windows; there are definitely much more important things to be spending our time doing than getting ****ed off about a fluff recommendation.

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    Thanks drk .... but my confusion really still does remain though. Why would some firefighters and the Red Cross recommend doing this when there is such potential to cause death? Is this not deadly misinformation on how citizens can "save" themselves that could ultimately result in their deaths??
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    Calgary ........if you were ultimately going to die from a possible bomb attack would you choose to let them get you or beat em to the punch? Given the choices of dieing from the effects of biological or chemical warfare I would take suffocation at my own hand and flip the bird to the SOBs at the other end before I keeled over.

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    I think I'd have to go for detonation right over me. I'd get to see the nice bright flash then it's lights out. None of this slow death, radiation poisoning, grow a third arm out of my ear thing.
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    Not much more than a whole lot of BS media hype. What a great way to get ratings, scare the sh@* out of the public...
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    My Secondary MOS is the service was NBC Warfare Technician--

    You guys have no clue to the horror--let me put it this way--

    Be at peace knowing that we will die free. If we're really lucky it won't last longer than 9 seconds.

    Duct tape--what a hoot!

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    You guys have no clue to the horror--let me put it this way--

    Be at peace knowing that we will die free. If we're really lucky it won't last longer than 9 seconds.
    Not really true, I seen all the same movies and pictures, and to top it off, I got the inoculations and the free trip to the gulf...
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    And I thought my membership to "TACDA" (The American Civil Defense Assoc.) was useless... I can get six dollars off a bottle of Potassium Iodide... Save six whole dollars; and while I'm waiting 6-8 weeks for delivery they'll probably attack and I'll lose a whole 14.99!

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    You know what they say..."If you can't duck it...well never mind the rest lol...anyways all seriousness...these people who are panicing and buying all the duct tape arent leaving enough for those who need it for a real purpose!! TO FIX THINGS!! geeezzz!!!
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    Just think of who we are scared of TERRORists.

    That is exactly what they are doing bringing terror here
    with every new idea.

    They are accomplishing their goal and never leaving their caves, and I am sure they take great pleasure in making the most powerful nation in the world cower in fear.

    The potential for an attack is very high, but would you advertise if you were going to do something?

    Whatever you decide is on you, I do not feel you are ignorant or anything just being cautious.

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    RspctFrmCalgary - I emailed the Red Cross asking them about sealing yourself in an airtight room and how long you would survive before the O2 level dwindles and the CO level gets too high. They claim to have an answer in only 7-10 days. Guess they have to go lock themselves in a room and find out?

    You'd think people would a.) be smart enough to see through it, and b.) realize that in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't matter if the government tells us to duct tape our windows
    Based on the number of stores selling out of duct tape and plastic, I would have to say people are choosing option c.) believe it and do it since they don't know any better and the official Red Cross is saying to do it
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    I wouldn't worry about CO2 and oxygen deficiency for the same reason I wouldn't worry about sealing off the house from CBRN threats... because it won't work. You'd be hard pressed to completely isolate yourself in the average house, even if it is bundled with duct tape and plastic.
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    LMAO

    I did not read all of the post, but I think that the plastic and duct tape was covered well, but I wanted to make a comment about the NBC masks, don't waste your time or your money. Granted if the filter is good, and you have a good NBC suit you will be fine for a little while. That is if you get into the suit and the mask in time. From there you are going to have to find a safe zone, relatively soon, in order to decon, and receive new filters and gear, that you will never be able to find. Do you have a canteen, this will be needed so that you can get water, see most mask come with a drink valve. Of course your going to need the Decon wipes to decon your canteen, and your going to need test strips to make sure that the water is not contaminated before you drink it.

    Funny but I bet that the Surplus stores have not mentioned any of these things.

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    Hey, all I have to do is go to my in-laws house. They have everything! I'm sure you all remember all the "be prepared for the Y2K disaster" kits that were being hyped. Don't get me wrong, I think that there is a much greater chance of a terrorist attack than there was of a meltdown from Y2K. However, what are the odds that you will be at the place and time of the event? I agree with the majority here that the whole plastic and duct tape routine would be as effective as good old duck and cover. If you're at "ground zero" you're screwed. If you're not, use your brain and manage. The idea of having a worked out plan of who to contact and where to go in the event of an emergency is just good everyday practice. You should have the flash lights, radios, and batteries as well. You need those things in the event of a severe storm. Having some basic food and water stockpiled is OK too. Think about it, you already have a source of water in your water heater. That's 40 gallons of water or so availabe right there. Beyond those basic things, save your money for your kids' education or your retirement.

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    Talking YA THINK??????????

    My best guess is the Red Cross has some moron stashed in a plastic wrapped and duct taped room somewhere and is monitoring his progress....stay tuned for the results!
    The basic facts are that if there IS an attack, and there is actually any form of surviving life it will only be lower life forms like cockroaches, lawyers and my ex mother-in-law, those things are about all that would be left to live on whatever is left when the smoke clears and the dust settles.
    The likelyhood of there being anything that isnt contaminated is slim to none, not to mention the side effects that a bilogical or chemical attack would render on anything left.
    Maybe I can donate my afore mentioned ex mother-in-law to the red cross for their sealed room study.

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    Based on the number of stores selling out of duct tape and plastic, I would have to say people are choosing option c.) believe it and do it since they don't know any better and the official Red Cross is saying to do it
    Yes, that's what I've been trying to say LOL, sometimes I just don't express myself clearly I guess. THANKS BONES!

    This would be my fear...
    There is a report on the news of a fire at a blank blank facility. It is believed to have been caused by terrorism according to all the TV stations covering it, a phone call perhaps has been recieved taking responsibility for a chemical bomb (ok remember I'm civilian and might not know what I'm talking about LOL) at said facility. People would rush into their duct taped rooms fearing the end has come. Perhaps their radio runs out of battteries 20 minutes after they enter the shelter. The family fails to hear that the phone call was a prank, the fire is under control, it is safe to come out. But the family doesn't hear and they are found the next day dead from CO poisoning.

    Farfetched???? I don't think so. For example - just look at all the misinformation we got on September 11th through the media until facts could be verified. I will NEVER forget the anxiety of watching the sky over Calgary wondering where that 5th plane was. Airspace all over America was closed, but some flights were being diverted to Calgary. It was very tense until the news finally came out that there was not a 5th plane missing. Or just look at the caller from Texas who called in to one of the big 3 stations saying he'd found a big piece of Columbia in his backyard, then told the news anchor to F OFF you're an idiot or whatever he said. My brain isn't working too well this morning, I can't recall the station I was watching or who the anchor was. I think it was CBS. So here this prank call was played live on the air in front of millions of people watching in Canada and the States without the facts being verified first.

    So is my little scenario really that unrealistic? People hear from a respected, trusted agency like the Red Cross and believe it is safe to do what is recommended. The average person is not going to know that their house/room cannot be made airtight and that if it is you will die anyway from lack of oxygen or CO poisoning.

    Ok my next question *innocent look* .....

    What will happen first? (I know it will vary depending on the type of chemical and amount dispersed I'm not THAT blonde LOL) Will the room run out of oxygen and/or fill up with CO before the air outside is safe to leave your duct taped room? Like how long does it take for the air to clear if a crop duster dumped some crap on a target? I know these are all hypothetical questions @ me
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    I don't know if it's like this everywhere but...

    What happens when there is a snowstorm approaching? Right. Everybody runs to the store to buy milk and bread. Maybe in some places, where there are not that many stores, this is a reasonable approach, but out here, you can't swing a dead cat w/o hitting a Stop and Rob. Even w/ 3 feet of snow, the roads are only closed for a day at the most. But people are a) stupid and b) prone to panic.

    It was the same at Y2K time. How many people went out and stored food, water, ammunition, bought $25,000 generators, etc. in anticipation of Armageddon? Did you notice that the people who were telling all the Doomsday stories wouldn't finish telling you unless you went out and bought their book for $14.95? It was bogus info.

    It's the same as this duct tape nonsense. If people would just stop and think they would realize how foolish they are acting. But they don't think. They see it on TV and BOOM! It must be true.

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