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    Question Oldest aerial in service??

    Help me out here, guys. I made a remark to some firefighters here that our aerial device, a 1968 ALF 75' ladder truck is the oldest front-line aerial in service in the nation. I was kinda joking, but then I thought about it and realized that I may be right! Does anyone know of an aerial device that is older than our 1968 ALF that is still in FRONT LINE service in America? One of our guys stated that surely, there was something older out there still doing front line service. I'm talking first-due aerial, not some reserve truck that only rolls once in a blue moon to back up a fleet of late model trucks.
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    Pretty nice for a 1968. There are quite a
    few 60s Crowns still in service. Check them
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    http://www.crownisking.org/crownsnorkels.html

    http://www.crownisking.org/crownaerials.html
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    Warehouse Point Fire Department in East Windsor, CT has a 1947 ALF still in service as a frontline piece.

    Its replacement just arrived the other week but the new truck won't be in service for a few months.

    If their website is up and running (which is unusual lately), you can see the old truck at http://www.whpfd.org/ladd138.GIF and the new one at http://www.bbfd.org/pics/Apparatus/Truck138.jpg
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    Our neihgboring town just bauhgt a new 850,000 85' arial, and they got royaly ****ed with no help. but wut ever. they only need a 75' footer, and they've burned down plenty of buildings with there old one, i dont see why they need a new one to burn down buildings

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    Originally posted by Kvfcjr
    Our neihgboring town just bauhgt a new 850,000 85' arial, and they got royaly ****ed with no help. but wut ever. they only need a 75' footer, and they've burned down plenty of buildings with there old one, i dont see why they need a new one to burn down buildings
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    Just curious as to the question of safety.

    Are these old sticks certified? We had an old Lafrance back in 90 and it didn't pass the UL test. 91 we got a new Pierce.I have seen a few pics and heard stories in my time about the old ladders that fail when there is actually an animate object on it. I sure wouldn't want the liability of using something that has not been certified.

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    Originally posted by Kvfcjr
    Our neihgboring town just bauhgt a new 850,000 85' arial, and they got royaly ****ed with no help. but wut ever. they only need a 75' footer, and they've burned down plenty of buildings with there old one, i dont see why they need a new one to burn down buildings
    And what makes you an expert...a little "stick envy", no doubt!

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    PS: I checked the Warehouse Point photos..it appears you transposed the 7 and the 4 in the date!
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    Th, that is one nice-looking truck.

    There's just something about those older ALFs.
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    Originally posted by Captain Gonzo

    I checked the Warehouse Point photos..it appears you transposed the 7 and the 4 in the date!
    I was gonna say... that's one nice looking '47!
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    I think the Warehouse Point rig is actually a '47 aerial, but was refurbed with a Century Series cab in the 70's. Look at the ladder and rear body. It's definitely a very old ALF.

    As far as the oldest aerial goes, I've heard that Memphis is still running Pirsch tillers whose trailers and aerials date back to something like 1938. These rigs have been refurbed a number of times, and now have Ford L tractors from the early 80's, but the trailers date back a very long way. Perhaps somebody from Memphis can provide more info.

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    I think the Warehouse Point rig is actually a '47 aerial, but was refurbed with a Century Series cab in the 70's. Look at the ladder and rear body. It's definitely a very old ALF.

    That's what they did. I saw it @ New England Chief's parade last year, in person the age of the body/aerial really shows!

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    wow.
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    Originally posted by Kvfcjr
    Our neihgboring town just bauhgt a new 850,000 85' arial, and they got royaly ****ed with no help. but wut ever. they only need a 75' footer, and they've burned down plenty of buildings with there old one, i dont see why they need a new one to burn down buildings
    Can anybody here translate this gibberish? Junior, did you expect a 75' ladder to cost, say, $5,995? Does that other ten feet affect you? As for "need", do you know the first thing about ISO? Are you aware of the difference between height and reach? Have you ever heard the expression "When the pipe goes up, the building comes down"? Do you see that a fire severe enough to require an elevated master stream is probably severe enough to destroy the building?

    Definite case of ladder envy.
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    I know of a company in county that runs a 53-ish White as first out "ladder" . Certification doubtfull. Would I trust it? Not a chance!! Maybe the guy from Tunkhannock can shed some light on it, its closer to him than I.

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    Well we just retired our 1964 Pirsch 75'. It was only retired
    due to the ladder failed its recert. So we bought a used 86 Pirsch
    from Madison FD. We love it and it serves us well.

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    And I thought we were strugglin' with our '75 Sutphen...


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    we have a 78 Sutphen ...............and yours looks grreat for 28 !
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    Don't have a picture, and wouldn't know how to post it anyway, But, Woodsboro Maryland's 1956 Mack Open cab 85ft straight truck is still good looking and still works well. I admit that I have not checked with anyone there before posting, so something may have changed. Anybody from Frederick County know more?? Thanks, Stay Safe....
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    Freetown Mass. has a 1956 Maxim 65' tiller in front line service as Ladder 91. Fall River Mass. ran a 1942 Pirsch until about 5 yrs. ago.
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    Originally posted by OneL1L
    I think the Warehouse Point rig is actually a '47 aerial, but was refurbed with a Century Series cab in the 70's. Look at the ladder and rear body. It's definitely a very old ALF.
    Yes, it was a '47 but refurbed in the 70's. I would have typed this earlier in the day but I was too busy freezing my tail off 95' in the air thanks to their new truck.

    Side note: The WhPFD ALF started off in East Hartford and was later sold to Warehoue Point. Warehouse Point is the FD that refurbed it though (or so I think...I have permanent brain freeze).
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    quint1 are you refering to 36's ladder that was our until we bought the snorkel. Don't know if I would trust it but from what I hear it ran great when we sold it 10 or so years ago, however I didn't live here then.
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    yeah, is that still in service? I heard a request for the ladder a few weeks ago. Don't hear too much down here on the south side, but that new repeater the county is on sometimes makes it through.

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    http://www.bartonvillefire.com/bvfd.equipment.html

    Some good ole ALF's E4 is the REAL engine, E2 is just a show truck!!

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    Thanks, guys, for posting. Our '68 ALF came from Allen Park Michigan. The former chief of our department bought the old thing in the mid '80's, I believe. Anybody here close to Allen Park? I'd like to see some old photos of this truck. I looked up Allen Park Fire Department on the web, but their site didn't have much in the way of photos or history. Heck, some of you guys may have ridden this thing once or twice!

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    Yes quint1 it is still in service and I believe it is certified I will have to ask a buddy of mine who has ties to that company and see if I can get some more info on it's status. however I believe quint 65 is the first due ladder in the back mountain.
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