Fog vs. Smooth Bore

**FyrFyter510** · 02-18-2003, 11:03 PM

There has been a debate in the fire service for years. I have sat in my Chief's office debating it with him. I've sat in the dayroom debating it with other firefighters. On an interior structural fire attack, which is the weapon of choice? A fog nozzle, or a smooth bore? There are advantages and disadvantages to both. In my opinion, both have their place in the fire service, but for interior fire attack, but I go in with a smooth bore. Tell me what you think, give me examples and reasons. I enjoy a good "debate".

**MrFreeze** · 02-18-2003, 11:18 PM

Are you serious? People debate over something as trivial as nozzle selection? And you say this has been going on for years? Man, where have I been...

I'd take a low pressure fog nozzle, cranked over to the "right to fight". Wait, is that one of my choices?

Talk about stirring the pot with your first post...Maybe for an encore you can lead a discourse on the difference between career guys and vollies...

Oh yeah, I'm just pullin' your chain.

**nmfire** · 02-18-2003, 11:39 PM

Welcome to the forums. Please do not get scared off or take offence to what happens to this thread. This question tends to become rather violent at times.

**FlyingKiwi** · 02-18-2003, 11:44 PM

The one constant you face with either nozzle is the chemical make up of smoke, the main ingredient has a set ignition temperature of around 609 degrees celcius, or 1128 degrees farenheit.

So you can hit the fire with a smooth bore, and get zapped by a flashover, or you can pulse the smoke layer with a fog pattern from a variable nozzle, change to stream, and zap the fire in relative control.

Your choice I suppose.

have a good long read at www.firetactics.com and about 100 different threads through these forums.

100 years from now Firefighters will still be arguing over the best nozzle, with the same intensity they do today.

**Resq14** · 02-19-2003, 01:19 AM

not again...

haha

kidding

I have a tip: I've found that it helps to research the forums using the "search" feature over on the left before posing a question. Oftentimes you will find that the same question has already been asked.

And in the case of this issue, a lifeless and battered horse would be a representative understatement. It's still fun to stir the pot though.

COMBINATION NOZZLES RULE!

**CollegeBuff** · 02-19-2003, 02:13 AM

"This is the song that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friend........."

**jaybird210** · 02-19-2003, 08:39 AM

originally posted by Resq14
COMBINATION NOZZLES RULE!

BLAH!!!

SMOOTH-BORES FOREVER!!!

Just doin' my part to maintain chaos and mayhem. No, do not thank me; this is what I do.

**ff7134** · 02-19-2003, 09:02 AM

We solved this problem at our department by going with the
Akron SabreJet combo nozzle. Its a great nozzle once you get use to it.

Me I prefer a fog most of the time just depends on the conditions.

**PAVolunteer** · 02-19-2003, 10:12 AM

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**bpevans** · 02-19-2003, 11:26 AM

PAVol,
You are right on track with your post and we should get the web team to implement a top 5 or top 10 list of most common threads for a forum that contains links to all of the past threads.

New folks could browse the top 5/10 list to get answers to their most common questions as well as get a feel for the tone of the forum.

**PAVolunteer** · 02-19-2003, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by bpevans
we should get the web team to implement a top 5 or top 10 list of most common threads for a forum that contains links to all of the past threads.

New folks could browse the top 5/10 list to get answers to their most common questions as well as get a feel for the tone of the forum.

That is a great idea! Webteam???

Stay Safe

**FlyingKiwi** · 02-19-2003, 11:54 AM

Lets see

Fog vs smooth-bore
Voli vs Perm
Leather Vs Tupperware
Leather vs Rubber Boots
Drinking at the station
Jrs/Explorers leaving school for alarms
Are Quints really Fire Trucks
How big is YOUR ladder

Theres 8 without even trying.

**Bones42** · 02-19-2003, 12:09 PM

Kiwi - you forgot "what color is your truck" and "how many blue lights do you have"

That's 10.

**RyanEMVFD** · 02-19-2003, 12:59 PM

i think "IACOJ- When's the next party?" should be included.

Don't forget "Favorite Pranks" and "how to paint a leather helmet".

**FlyingKiwi** · 02-19-2003, 03:04 PM

Back to the topic.

Have a look at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzsraffe/index.html

Let the page load, and you will see why Australia, New Zealand, and England, use variable nozzles.

Just a bit of food for thought. There are some extremely revealing video sequences and a perfect quote on one page.

"Everyone has a right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege."

(haha, I had to edit it, I made a mistake spelling Australia.)

**E40FDNYL35** · 02-19-2003, 03:07 PM

Tastes great .... No, Less filling

**truckie226** · 02-19-2003, 05:13 PM

I had a reply when i read the first post but now i forgot what this thread was about.....oh yeah i remember-i would never use a booster line on a car fire..

**GPM123** · 02-20-2003, 02:59 PM

I came across this awhile back but did not post it because I know the subject has been beaten to Death, but I did not start this so here it is.

If you visit the TFT web site (if I can say that) and look around they have all sorts of test results to show that SB nozzles are not as good as combination.
some pretty convincing stuff. Is there anyone or company who came up with something different? Now I don't care if you have nozzle xy with a break apart wz and flow whatever. Thats not what I'm asking.

Are there any test results to show one over the other?

Then there are things that can't be tested, because it is not apples to apples. a combination nozzle can't pass ice like a SB, or scale and rust from a standpipe

People can look at the whole picture and pick out what arguments they want to support their view and use them. But then the person they are passing the chosen info to is not getting the whole piture.

Both are tools. learn the pros and cons of both and use your head ( the best tool of all)

to decide what to use when.

**SPFDRum** · 02-20-2003, 03:18 PM

With or with-out a dust mask?

**jaybird210** · 02-20-2003, 03:55 PM

Both are tools. learn the pros and cons of both and use your head ( the best tool of all) to decide what to use when.

And that, my friends, pretty much puts this issue to rest.......

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