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    Originally posted by tshayes
    Look at the code3 dashlaser. It is supposed to be blue but it comes out clear and blue. Nothing you can do about that. Atleast they arnt running clear on bar lights.
    Clear is clear, whether it's on a light bar, in a dash light, grill lights or wig wags. Anywhere there is a clear flashing light (that includes flashing your headlights manually, it is illegal. If you have a dashlaser that comes out clear and blue there is something you can do about it. Don't use it.

    There's another thread somewhere in these forums about police illegaly using blue lights in New York. If we want to change this practice, we have to start enforcing ourselves with the law.


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    I used to use a firebeam with mirror in blue which is truly blue and now I have moved the rotator to my roof and have a whelen talon LED dashlight coming which is all blue. You dont need to brake the law to get attention. I see a lot of whelen dashmisers in NY split one blue and one clear. That is illegal and I see no point in it.

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    Thanks for everybody sharing their opinions about all of this. It is certainly interesting to hear how different departments and ff's handle blue light enforcement. As I said in my first post, my department is now enforcing the one blue light law, but the kicker is they are doing it selectively. Everybody was told that since the law says one blue light, everyone must follow the law, EXCEPT for fire police, since they respond to the scene. Gotta love enforcing the law and then changing it to suit your interest.
    Anyway, my brother from SFD mentioned that flashing your headlights is illegal. I'm curious to know why he thinks this- Since all cars as equiped to flash your headlights to get the attention of other drivers, why would it be illegal to do when responding (not talking about wig-wags or auto flashers here- just flashing your headlights normally)?
    And just as a reminder, everyone who uses a strobe light (including myself), is breaking the law. Same goes for LED, since it flashes in a "strobe-like pattern," which is illegal according to the latest NYS laws.

    Karl

    PS- as a member of a department that used to have several people use a combo of white and blue lenses, we actually had several troopers and local cops tell us they liked the combo because it grabbed more attention. But as most people have already pointed out, nobody pulls over anyway.
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    Originally posted by ksneubec

    Anyway, my brother from SFD mentioned that flashing your headlights is illegal. I'm curious to know why he thinks this- Since all cars as equiped to flash your headlights to get the attention of other drivers, why would it be illegal to do when responding (not talking about wig-wags or auto flashers here- just flashing your headlights normally)?


    This, like most laws, is a matter of interpretation. The blue light law does not refer to flashing headlights. However, the red and white light section states that red and white lights may only be affixed to authorized emergency vehicles.

    If you are "just flashing your headlights normally", that's one thing (more on that later). I was refering to individuals that flash their headlights as if they had auto flashers.

    I know in most new vehicles you are able to flash your headlights. I do not know anyone that drives down that does this on a regular basis. What is a driver indicating when he is flashing his headlights on a normal basis? The road rage driver that gets stuck behind a slow poke on Route 35 during rush hour? I know people that flash their headlights in lieu of waving with one finger. But is that legal?

    Unrelated, I find it interesting that local troopers and police officers like the idea of blue and white combos. In another nearby locale, some of the volunteer firefighters don't display any blue lights due to the harassment they get from the cops. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with it. My views here are based on my personal interpretation of NYS V&T Laws.
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    Question Blue light card and new chief?

    On a bit of a tangent, my department has a new chief and I was wondering if I needed to get a new blue light card from the new chief or if the old one is still sufficient?

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    I don't think there is any state specification on the longevity of the card. There is nothing in the V&T. When I get a chance I will look in the State GM Law Book.

    Our cards at one time said it was good for a specific year. We did away with that and now the cards are valid until revoked.

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    As SFDChief indicated, the Blue Light authorization cards are good until revoked or you leave the fire service. The only exception on this, that I am aware of, is if your new Chief wants to reissue all the cards in the department.
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    Default Blue Lights/Red Lights

    Geeze, after over 20 years of living in the South and listening to "we don't give a dam* how you do it up North", I can let y'all play the reversal and have you tell me "you don't give a dam* how we do it in the South.

    Having been born and raised in NYS, and having been a member of the Hillcrest Fire Co. in Binghamton, NY, displayed a blue light, and now a career firefighter in S. Carolina and been through the red light deal, I feel your pain.

    I've worked my way through the ranks to Asst. Chief and have an assigned take home car with lights and sirens I can tell you a couple of things. People still don't move with lights and sirens going let alone a light only. Second, as I was told by the Chief's I served under at Hillcrest and the Chief who hired me from the volunteer ranks to the career ranks, your P.O.V. is not an authorized emergency vehicle. The blue, red, or what ever light only identifies you as a responding firefighter. You still must obey all traffic laws and drive with Due Regard.

    I have done the heavy foot deal and have stood on the carpet in the Chief's office because he got call from the PD. My department finally had to limit the use of the red light to allowing our vollies and off duty paid folks to activate their lights not more than two blocks from the scene so as to identify themselves to the cops.

    More than one member has had an accident (single car) or a chat with the local constabliary (speeding).
    Remember, if you get into an accident responding, you and/or your department could be liable.

    Heck, I find myself not even bothering to activate my lights and siren to most calls and get to the scene nearly as fast.

    Just my $.02 from a former New Yorker

    Take care be safe.

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    Like stated by others on forum the blue lights only act as courtesy lights. In my department we get lucky somedays and people pull off to side but the members who use lights versus those who dont are about equal. Those who chose not to use them usually end up behind members who do since local PD does not really enforce many laws regarding lights and the likes. We are also not always responding to fire house as Interior Fire Fighters we mostly have few who go to house for equipment and others who go to scene to establish our presence. This is something our current chief prided himself on establishing since we tend to have gear in our cars including Air Paks. Also blue light cards are valid until revoked in most areas of New York but depends on department.

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    Cool Hmm....

    Interesting what the Brothers in NYS deal with, with the matter of POV lights and RIG lights for that matter. Stay safe Brothers...whatever light you run!


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    hi all! im new obviously. im actually waiting to hear from the VFD if i have been accepted but i do have a question. when i do get accepted, when do i get my blue card and how long do i have to wait for it? also with the blue lights, am i allowed to have those blue lights with amber and/or white lights?

    too bad wig-wag headlights are illegal in NY. my dad has a set from when he was an EMT back in 1986 that are just sitting in a box collecting dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrismartin1701 View Post
    hi all! im new obviously. im actually waiting to hear from the VFD if i have been accepted but i do have a question. when i do get accepted, when do i get my blue card and how long do i have to wait for it? also with the blue lights, am i allowed to have those blue lights with amber and/or white lights?

    too bad wig-wag headlights are illegal in NY. my dad has a set from when he was an EMT back in 1986 that are just sitting in a box collecting dust.


    No disrespect intended but go to the Volunteers section and see where they have dragged this subject around like a old coat for several pages.

    You'll get a great learning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrismartin1701 View Post
    hi all! im new obviously. im actually waiting to hear from the VFD if i have been accepted but i do have a question. when i do get accepted, when do i get my blue card and how long do i have to wait for it? also with the blue lights, am i allowed to have those blue lights with amber and/or white lights?
    When the Chief decides to give it to you...remember it is a priveledge, NOT a right.....and BLUE ONLY legally projecting forward.....you may be smart and read exactly what the V&T law states is allowed - you can do an on line search and fine the specific section.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasobuff View Post
    When the Chief decides to give it to you...remember it is a priveledge, NOT a right.....and BLUE ONLY legally projecting forward.....you may be smart and read exactly what the V&T law states is allowed - you can do an on line search and fine the specific section.....
    i have a blue mini light bar with 2 rotators that i just got. is that okay to use? i have a friend down the street from where i live who works at the same station im trying to get in nad he has lights all over his truck. blue leds int he grill, blue strobe mini bar on the roof and i think a blue LED dash light aswell and cops dont see it as an issue.
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    You still need to check the V&T Laws for your state - many only allow for a single light, or a maximum candlepower.....

    Just because the Chief or the local police are not taking issue with lights right now, doesn't mean that they are legal.....do your homework and make sure you follow the law.....

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    Read this Chris;


    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c128/a17.html

    Section 375. Equipment.

    4. Blue light. One blue light may be affixed to any motor vehicle
    owned by a volunteer member of a fire department or on a motor vehicle owned by a member of such personís family residing in the same household or by a business enterprise in which such person has a proprietary interest or by which he or she is employed, provided such volunteer firefighter has been authorized in writing to so affix a blue light by the chief of the fire department or company of which he or she is a member, which authorization shall be subject to revocation at any time by the chief who issued the same or his or her successor in office.


    Such blue light may be displayed exclusively by such volunteer firefighter on such a vehicle only when engaged in an emergency operation. The use of blue and red light combinations shall be prohibited on all fire vehicles. The use of blue lights on fire vehicles shall be prohibited and the use of blue lights on vehicles shall be restricted for use only by a volunteer firefighter as provided for in this paragraph.


    NOTE: The Chief of the department must authorize the use of the light, subject to "revocation at any time by the chief who issued"
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrismartin1701 View Post
    hi all! im new obviously. im actually waiting to hear from the VFD if i have been accepted...
    Best of luck with your fire service career, but at this point, focus on your training, and leave the blue lights behind. Make sure your priorities are in order!
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    There is not a light currently made that is legal by the NYS V&T. The candle power is too low!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlrfa2907 View Post
    There is not a light currently made that is legal by the NYS V&T. The candle power is too low!
    Actually the candlepower restriction no longer applies to blues. It does still apply to green and purple though.

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    Boy this 7 year old thread hangs in there well...
    I am now a past chief and the views, opinions, and comments are mine and mine alone. I do not speak for any department or in any official capacity. Although, they would be smart to listen to me.

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