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    Bones:

    You are right, I don't spec. or buy our fire trucks, my Chief does. The Chief of our dept. is very intelligent, to the point that people from other departments have him spec their trucks, so when this man tells me this is what we need, I do not question it. When I say research, I mean that I have read, set through numerous discussions with the Chief, firefighters, Fire Marshall, Director's, and have done case study's. I will never be a firefighter, don't want to. I am a female that weighs about 135 and don't think I would be able to rescue my fellow firefighters, if the need arose, that's why I am content with the administrative portions of the fire service, applying for grants, fundraising, and research. I respect the people who risk their lives but I do not appreciate it when someone implies that I am not a part of this dept. You could set me down, let me work your fire program, explain some things, answer a few questions, and provide me with resources, and I can word it exactly the way it needs to be. That is a talent that I have been blessed with. I like to think of myself as a support person. I think firefighters give so much to the world, they do things that most people wouldn't dream of doing. Please answer this question, what kind of dept. are you? (paid,combination, volunteer)


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    Default Bonesy's got my back!

    ORFD:
    My comment concerning research for 22 years was tongue-in-cheek; somewhat! I have been a member of a volunteer department for 22 years, I was chief for 14 years until Sept. 10, 2002 when I retired and ran for trustee, a position that I now hold.
    And in all of this time, ONE thing has remained the same and that is:
    fire equipment is always changing, is very expensive and there is NEVER enough money to buy it. I'll bet we agree on that.
    I have another problem; unless the rules makers have walked a grass fire in my boots, they don't know what I am talking about in terms of needs. Granted, they have the national organizations whispering in their ear, but have you stopped and wondered where the rest of the grant money goes? It goes for "administrators" of the grants. That's the guys whispering in the rules makers ear! Don't believe me?
    Total it up for last year. It doesn't come out to $360 million. And there is no carryover according to the rules. So, FEMA, USFA and the others share in the money. There are also the "non-competitive" grants that are awarded to certain groups. And don't get me wrong: I am not opposed to giving money to established agencies in the name of fire prevention, but let's face it; you can only buy so many coloring books. What about juvey firesetter intervention programs?
    Whoops; got off subject.
    As I was saying, I think that we can improve the system under which grants are awarded. Ultimately, it comes down to numbers. I don't think that need should be tied to call volume. I don't think need should be tied to population. I don't think need should be tied to rural, suburban or urban. Need should be tied to whether or not you can provide the protection to your population adequately and does it go beyond "basic" fire protection to include other disciplines? You may have a fire department that can provide fire protection, have a population of 1000 people, but there are major roadways that cut through your distict and you have no means to respond to calls for help on these roads. I would think that the government would jump at the chance to help.
    I just want to see some improvements. I'm willing to help if they are. I have been doing it all along. "They" are entering the game late!
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    ORFD, I promise, this is my last post on this as it's going nowhere in relation to the topic at hand.

    In answer to your question, I have been a member of a 118 year old volunteer company for 21 years.

    As a female, does not matter with firefighters nor does the fire care. It burns everyone the same. Male/Female are both very capable of being excellent firefighters. As 135 lbs, I would bet you could rescue a fellow firefighter, there are many techniques beyond brute strength. Someday, maybe you will try, maybe not. It is a personal choice for everyone. Doesn't make anyone better, doesn't make anyone worse.

    And again, I did not and am not implying you are not or were not part of your department. I don't know where you got that from. My comments were directed to someone with 2 years experience, they were not directed at someone who was not part of the fire department. If that was the implication, it was misunderstood.

    ORFD, you do write well, your posts are very easy to read and understand. Stay Safe and Take Care.
    "This thread is being closed as it is off-topic and not related to the fire industry." - Isn't that what the Off Duty forum was for?

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    Okay, you guys are right, this is going no where. This will also be my last reply. The water is getting stagnant on this topic. I do, however, wish you luck- if it were up to me, everyone would have everything that they need, but until that happens, there's only so much money and it has to be distributed equally between departments. I really enjoyed sharing my views on this with you and I also thank you for sharing your views with me. Again, good luck!!!!!! Just please stop ganging up on me (ha-ha, I'm joking)

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    I would like to thank all of you that posted to this. I believe someone said it was becoming stagnant. However, i think differently. Reading the previous posts has been a learning experience. I've been in a volunteer fire dept 16 years now. Within that time i have seen alot of good and bad things happen to my department. Having outside contacts like this is a good thing to have. Makes me think about different things i may not have before. Again thanks for the posts and being mature with your arguments. This shows that there is still a brotherhood amongst firefighters. Good luck with your grant requests and take care

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    Default One final thought!

    ORFD-Admin wrote:
    there's only so much money and it has to be distributed equally between departments.
    ORFD; if that were the case, you would not have heard one PEEP out of me!
    Thank you for the meaningful dialogue. The pleasure was mine.
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    Hey, CR, since you're a trustee now (well, almost) maybe your dept. can hire somebody to do research, write grants and plan fundraisers. I thought was what chiefs did best! Just trying to keep the pot stirred.
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