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    This is a heart warming story. Capt Stan, can you shed some light on this?

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    Police Investigating Incident At Firehouse
    Woman Says Alleged Hazing Incident Terrorized Her
    Posted: 7:09 p.m. EST March 17, 2003

    CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. -- A female firefighter says that she was the victim of a frightening incident involving her fellow firefighters.
    Five firefighters are being investigated after the 28-year-old woman says she was terrorized during a hazing incident on Feb. 22.

    The woman said five men, dressed in masks that covered their faces, burst into the room she was sleeping in at Station 71 at 1:30 a.m. She said the men were carrying an air horn, flashlights, and rope. She said they tried to hogtie her, but she broke away, and pulled the mask off one man, but didn't get a good look at any of them, and they ran from the station.

    The woman's attorney, Joseph Carter, said, "As a woman you fear the worst. You don't know what's happening."

    Police said even though the woman didn't see her assailants, they were caught on surveillance tape coming and going. Now five firefighters, including one who was on duty at the time and a lieutenant from another shift, are all under investigation.

    So far, according to Channel 10 reporter Jeff Weinsier, no one has been reprimanded, transferred, or suspended.

    Don Tetito, with the Coral Springs police, said, "Right now it's just an allegation and an investigation by the Coral Springs Police Department, so we're awaiting their judgment as to whether they are going to press charges or not."

    Joseph said it probably wouldn't have become a police investigation if they men had just talked to the woman and explained themselves.

    Now they face possible felony charges of battery on a firefighter and false imprisonment.

    The Coral Springs Fire Department would not comment on the ongoing investigation.


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    Further proof that pigs and mutts come from the same polluted bloodline.

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    There's five idiots! Were they assigned to that station--i.e., did the morons know they were on Candid Camera?

    I'm glad the sister FF had the courage to report this. As I said on the practical jokes thread, this stuff is OK as long as it does not involve sexual issues (among others). Clearly this woman probably thought she was about to be raped. Not cute.
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    What ever happened to just dousing with water and boot polish around a face piece?
    Hog tying someone is completly inappropriate, not to mention dangerous. And an officer taking part in this crap is unbelievable!
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    As you all know...I'm the first to clown around...BUT this "over-the-top" kind of behavior has got to stop. No woman should be subjected to the kind of fear she was subjected to. That's not fun...it's cruel.
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    This kind of behavior is not appropriate in todays fire service, no matter if the victim is male or female. The boundaries were definitely crossed here, and the persons responsible deserve to face the music

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    This incident comes just a few weks after a Coral Springs F/F was dismissed after a burglary arrest he "forgot" to mention came up on a random check of computer records with the Police.

    I have friends in the CSFD after spending sometime with them over the last few years. I sincerely hope none of them were either the victime or the participants in this disgraceful incident.
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    Looks like their will be 5 openings on the CORAL SPRINGS FD. I can't say they don't deserve it.

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    A truely stupid incident, however I wonder would there have been a news story if the recr?uit they had burst in on had been male?

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    Probably not, but since having women in fire suppression is still relatively rare in most villages/towns/cities, it will still make the news. That is not to say that if this had been done to a male recruit that it should not have been picked up by the media, the incident was completely inappropriate, and all involved should have their collective *****es kicked!

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    George,

    I have heard nothing more than what I read in the papers and what was on the front page of FH.com.

    I did not see that you had started a thread and I started one also... here is a link that contains the story. Not sure if it is the same or not.

    http://cms.firehouse.com/forums2/sho...threadid=47062

    My thoughts:
    Unacceptable!!!! As others have said, I will be the first to clown around and have done so. But to put someone in fear for their life (if the allegations are true) is totally out of line.

    As more stories surface and I receive them, I will post them here. Hope this one does not get the "sweep under the carpet" syndrome.
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    Post No further explanation...kinda Hush Hush...but here is another story

    Sun Sentinel

    Coral Springs Fire Department incident strikes a chord with female firefighters nationwide

    By Sallie James
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    Posted March 26 2003

    CORAL SPRINGS -- When Rosemary Bliss became the first female member of a small fire department in upstate New York, six male firefighters immediately quit without ever meeting her.

    "They felt the department was ruined because a woman was joining," said Bliss, 53, now retired, who went on to became a fire chief in northern California and spent 30 years in the profession. "The fire service is such a traditional men's club and the traditions are not dying easily. It takes strong policies and making sure everyone is aware of them."

    News that Coral Springs police are investigating a female firefighter's claim that she was partially hog-tied by her male peers as she slept has struck a chord with female firefighters throughout the country. Numerous Web sites related to the fire service are carrying news of the Coral Springs incident, and women firefighters are following the case closely.

    The brouhaha stems from a Feb. 22 incident in which probationary firefighter Krystyna Krakowski was roused from her sleep by four to five male firefighters. The men had their faces partially obscured by fire retardant hoods. They grabbed her arms and legs and attempted to hog-tie her with plastic handcuffs. No one came to her aid.

    Krakowski, 28, who has declined to be interviewed, has been placed on paid administrative leave. The police are investigating the incident as a possible false imprisonment/battery and have not released names of anyone else who was involved.

    "I am deeply concerned about these allegations," said Coral Springs City Manager Michael Levinson. "Upon closure of the criminal investigation, rest assured, I will take the necessary and appropriate actions." The department has no history of complaints, he said.

    At the time of the incident, Krakowski was the only female on duty in the firehouse.

    Numbers alone ensure isolation is part of every female firefighter's job. According to the national Women in the Fire Service organization, which covers women with career-level positions in fire-fighting, Florida has only 775 female firefighters, with only California being higher at 1,297 firefighters.That compares to approximately 40,000 firefighters in Florida, according to the Bureau of Fire Standards and Training in Ocala.

    Coral Springs' 101-member department has 10 female firefighters, with the highest-ranking woman a lieutenant.

    For women working in the male-dominated profession, harassment of all types is something that continually crops up, said Joan Van Ness, a volunteer New York firefighter who spends winters in Fort Lauderdale.

    "It's the woman who is the odd person out," said Van Ness, who recently attended a Women's Firefighter Seminar weekend in Albany, N.Y., where female firefighters talked about on-the-job harassment. "[The men] can isolate you. The message has to come from the chief of the department, saying I will not stand for this behavior."

    Terese Floren, a retired Ohio firefighter and executive director of Women in the Fire Service, in Madison, Wis., said the "vast majority" of female firefighters have experienced what they would identify as sexual harassment, but said it would be impossible to compile accurate numbers on complaints or lawsuits.

    Most problems are low-level forms of ostracism, such as having conversations stop when you walk into a room, enduring off-color jokes or having colleagues watch the Playboy Channel, she said.

    `This is the culture'

    "It's to maintain the boys' club, to create an uncomfortable atmosphere, to show you this is the culture of this workplace and if you don't like it, too bad," Floren said.

    Those who complain too much are labeled as not being able to stand up to the job, and those who put up with the harassment for some time before complaining are told they aren't credible because they didn't complain before, she said.

    As in many municipalities, Coral Springs employees are schooled on the city's harassment policies, and go through training sessions where the rules are periodically reviewed, Levinson said.

    "We have a zero tolerance policy," Levinson said.

    In Coral Springs, standard operating procedures for the fire department detail banned activities, including "scuffling and horseplay." The definition for horseplay includes "pushing, shoving, teasing, practical jokes, or any other pranks or antics which disrupt the normal work routine or create a risk of danger to the safety of others."

    Employees who violate city harassment policies put their employer at risk for litigation.

    "Sexual harassment is illegal under federal law, state law and Broward County, and if it's illegal, it's going to subject the employer to liability," said Kirk Rascoe, director of the Broward County Civil Rights Division. "This is part of a culture that exists and the rank-and-file can seldom change a culture in a workplace. The changes have to come from the top."

    In addition to clearly spelled out rules, Rascoe said agencies must make sure women serve in leadership positions in traditionally male-dominated professions such as fire and police departments.

    "Particularly in the paramilitary-type operations, you need to have women in positions of authority who can ask questions, confront people and effect change from the top," Rascoe said.

    Taking a middle path

    Female firefighters have to adapt to fit in, Floren said.

    "The consensus is you have to take a middle path. You can't complain about everything that offends you or insults you, or makes your work life difficult," Floren said. "More men are open to the idea that anybody can be a firefighter, but there are certainly men who are uncomfortable with women as peers in the fire stations and will feel free to express that."

    Rhoda Kerr, a deputy chief at the Fort Lauderdale Fire Department, regularly makes herself available to talk with women firefighters from around the county.

    "I think the majority of things have a lot to do with inappropriate sexual innuendoes, language, inappropriate touching, things like porno flicks and the Playboy channels. It is stuff that should be no-brainers, but guess what?" Kerr said. She agrees having women in leadership positions is key to instituting change.

    "There are some organizations where there hasn't been gender integration," Kerr said.

    Fort Lauderdale Fire Rescue Division Chief Stephen McInerny said harassment and pranks have no place in today's fire service, no matter what the tradition has been.

    "There is no fooling around. This is a serious job," McInerny said. "There can be no ambiguity. It is vitally important to have the rules spelled out so the employees know what to expect."

    Sallie James can be reached at sjames@sun-sentinel.com or 954-572-2019.
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    Ditto to everything said before...definitely not cool.

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    I attended a class at FDIC on this type of thing " Occupational Fatalities". Good job Chief Bruno and Candi

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    Certainly not one of the CSFD's best days, by a long shot. There are a lot more people in the CSFD beyond those jokers, and my sympathy to them for having to put up with this kind of crap, they deserve much better. I would offer the observation that it appears that women fare somewhat better in a volunteer system than one that is fully paid, for several reasons. 1. Many volunteers are there because they want to be there, to belong, to be part of the crew, True, most paid firefighters are there for the same reason, but full time positions are much more confining, when it's your shift, you have to be there, whereas volunteers often can handle doing things more at their own schedule, thus being able to avoid certain people or situations that arise. 2. Paid departments have specific number of positions at all times, where volunteer membership fluctuates, and can accomodate more people coming and going. 3. It is much easier for women to increase their numbers at a volunteer organization, and they can do it faster. Our organization, the Glenn Dale Vol Fire Association (www.gdvfd18.com) recently has (due to a recruiting effort) increased the number of female members to 31 out of a total membership of 109, and 3 of 13 officers are women. Since the VFD's in this area started admitting women members in the late 60's early 70's era, we've come a long way, and, we're very happy with the current status quo. Everyone gets along pretty well and does a good job. Stay Safe....
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    I'm just a lowly explorer but I am wondering, why does this happen at all, on duty anyway?
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    Smile You Have a Point......

    Fireflyer has raised a point or two. My position is, 1. Please note my use of the terms "paid" and "volunteer". "Professional" is a horse of a different color. Up here, (Mid-Atlantic) most volunteers are professionals, as are most paid firefighters. Professional refers to the standard met by the individual, Training, Education, Experience, and all the other things that go into becoming the best that you can be in this business. A paycheck, on the other hand, is irrelevant to professionalism. On a side note, I use the term paid instead of career because some paid firefighters have objected to the term "career". 2. An organizational policy on harrassment SHOULD be present in every departments documentation. There are laws present at all levels of government that apply to this subject, and anyone who thinks that they are immune to this could learn differently by default. 3. Although I see very plainly where this is coming from, the comment about "women with better training" being a threat to the good old boys club should also recognize that men with more training are viewed with equal suspicion. I would guarantee you that, if I applied to be a member of a VFD where this attitude prevails, my National Pro Board Fire Officer IV and Instructor III certificates would be great cause for alarm. You can also bet that I would fare equally bad going thru the membership process. Please do not take my comments as criticism, rather they are meant to reflect the view from my area of the world. Thanks, Stay Safe....
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    Excellent Commentary Chief Woods... Very very true.

    But dont worry about causing alarm if you apply in Fla... ...They don't recognize Pro Board Certs.. even though they claim to be a Pro Board State
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