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    Question FDNY on 9/11...343 or 347?

    Hello- I recently made a donation to an IAFF
    FDNY 9/11 fund (my station sold T-shirts) and
    got a really nice thank you letter back from
    them. The letter mentioned the funds will help
    the families of the 347 Firefighters that were
    lost.

    I was just looking for clearification, I was
    under the impression it was 343. Either way,
    these number make me/us ill.

    Thanks for the input.


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    I think the 347 number includes the paramedics that were murdered who rode on FDNY's ambulances. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
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    I could be mistaken, but I think there were some FDNY folks working as EMT/paramedics for private ambulance services, or working with other public safety services that day, so they didn not respond as FDNY firefighters/paramedics. Nonetheless, their full time jobs were with FDNY, so they are probably counted as FDNY losses.

    Problem is, those EMTs and paramedics who were working for private services (apparently at least one was an NYPD officer, working as an EMT) are not recognized to the same extent as the city employees lost. Not FDNY/NYPD/PA losses, but under the umbrella as 'other emergency workers'. It seems that with the tragic loss of so many 'public' emergency workers, the private emergency workers who lost their lives go unnoticed. Their families also have lost out, as they are not getting as much compensation (if any) as the families of the public emergency workers who died.

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    There were retired FDNY Firefighters who worked at the WTC safety department, so when the IAFF recorded the number lost in the attacks there are more than the original 343 (which did include the 2 medics for FDNY lost). Once a union firefighter always a union firefighter.
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    Could the 347 also include the 1 Fire Patrol firefighter killed?

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    i always thought it was 343...is there something that confirm this
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    Originally posted by Pride373
    Could the 347 also include the 1 Fire Patrol firefighter killed?
    As I understand it, yes. I forgot to mention him, sorry. And as for confirmation, the names of all 347 were included in the IAFF newsletter some months ago and had the retirees and FP members listed as union firefighters lost. The FDNY lists 343 because they are listing their active, on-duty members lost. It is not an oversite on anyone's part, just a different view of an organization's losses. The FDNY lost 343, the IAFF lost 347.
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    Thank you for offering some insight...Bou

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    Please correct me if i am wrong, but i heard that there were 4 members of the vol. fire patrol that were lost. But agin i could be wrong.

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    The Fire Patrol is not volunteer. They are paid, I think, by the New York Board of Fire Underwriters, an insurance co-op...

    Originally posted by foyt20
    Please correct me if i am wrong, but i heard that there were 4 members of the vol. fire patrol that were lost. But agin i could be wrong.

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