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    hey i was brought up with disipline in one hand and a belt in the other
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    Originally posted by Airborne
    And IMHO these are the parents that are destroying our society by placing a burden and a danger to the rest of us by there lack of parenting skills.
    WOW, is that ever a narrow view.

    There are millions of single parents who have to work for a living to raise their kids, and the inevitable result is often latchkey kids who are raised more by TV and their friends than their parents. These people aren't intentionally neglecting their kids, but rather doing their best to make ends meet. And all kids get in trouble, you did and I did, and don't try to deny it. Some of us just didn't get caught or were lucky enough not to hurt anybody.

    If you really want to reduce this stuff, try volunteering at a local youth program, or being a big brother, etc. It is a documented fact, that busy and well socialized kids get in less trouble.

    Sure there are bad parents out there, but don't blame every troubled kid on poor parenting. It takes a community to raise a child.
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    You know what, and this is not aimed at you but I'm going to take my gloves off on this subject and you can be ****ed if you want.

    First off I realize that there are some situations that a person can do nothing about the lost of another parent, Divorce these things can not be controled, and these are not the people that I'm talking about, but these people also make up a very small percentage.


    What we have in our great society is a cancer. This cancer are the people that are bringing about a burden and a situation that they can not handle that the rest of society is forced to take care of. Yes helping out would be great but you know what, I have nither the time nor the desire to do this. Besides working 60 Hours a week and being a POC FF, I'm also in the National Guard, I play on a hockey league, and I'm in charge of a 24 Team Bowling League 9 Monthes out of the Year.

    There is a reason that I'm able to do all of these things, because my wife and my self have decided that we are not ready to have kids. Because when I was Young Fum and full of cum I did not just deposit where ever I felt the need. In other words I have made a choice not to have Kids, not with my wife or anyone else. It is not a hard thing to do if one uses there head.

    Because it is more important to our goverment to give moeny away to these people and the hundreds of other burdens on out society, I will be lossing my job. I'm willing to work, I work hard, and I'm well educated in my field. But in the end it does not matter they do not have money to give me a paycheck, while 2 doors down, people who would rather not work will continue to be able to pick up there checks and I will be forced to find another Job.

    Call me a cold harted bastered if you want I don't care. I know all about being down on your luck, I have no issues with people using the system to get back on there feet, these are not the people that I'm talking about, I'm talking about the Bastards out there sticking there tool in anything that moves and then not taking responsibility for it, and the girls that are letting it happen to them.

    We have had thi8s discussion here before and like before this is not aimed at anyone that is workin hard and doing what they have to do to survive, It is aimed at all the dead weight that this society is forced to carry around. What would I do with it I have no idea, But I sure would make sure that the people that are willing to work hard have jobs before I start handing out money to the people that are not willing to work.

    When I got out of the military, I had not skills that where marketable, so I went to school, and I payed for it by working 40 hours a week, and living in a dumb of a trailer, it's called sacrafice, and not letting pride get in the way of things. It's called taking care of Number 1 your self, and making sure that you take care of what ever it is that you are responsible for.

    There I let it all out have at it.

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    This kid is a jack*****.

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    Originally posted by mcaldwell

    Sure there are bad parents out there, but don't blame every troubled kid on poor parenting. It takes a community to raise a child.
    Since when does it take a community to raise a child? I remember when all it took were dedicated and loving parents who were willing to accept the responsibilty of raising the child that they created. The village didn't make the child, and the parents shouldn't expect the village to raise the child.

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    I disagree.

    How many of us can remember being "ratted out" to our parents by the neighbour or another kid's parent when we did something wrong? How many times did we get yelled at by someone other than our parents for doing something wrong? Who remembers getting the Strap in school?

    People in general these days are too quick to cry foul when the teacher disciplines a rowdy kid, or when the neighbour drags a kid home by his ear for ripping up his garden.

    Most people get mad and say "who are they to say how I should raise my child". Well you know what, there is no school of parenting, no license or certification required, and bad habits are passed down generation to generation. We all need to realize that by locking our doors, barring the windows, and telling kids to ignore the teacher because he/she doesn't know what they are talking about is only teaching disrespect and contempt for other people.

    A kid knows he can get away with anything because the neighbours are all too scared of being sued by each other to talk.

    We all say we are too busy, but how much of what we do is self-serving? How much really gives back to the community and makes it stronger? I am a volunteer Firefighter, I do this and many other things in my community because it makes it a better place to live. And when I see a troubled kid, I talk to the parents, offer counseling and try to give him some direction. It is too easy to say "not my problem", and let them continue on down a path towards destruction as the young man in the story has.
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    Originally posted by tanker5117
    Just curious about something. If there were police on scene, why would a medic try to restrain an armed individual? whether it is a gun, a knife, or a bat, he was armed and the cops should have restrained/dis-armed him before the medic moved in. Just a thought.


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    But what if that where you, would you want someone unarmed to try to help you or just standaround and watch?
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    Post More idiots.....

    SARASOTA COUNTY, Fla. (AP) - An 18-year-old tried to imitate a
    stunt from the television show "Jackass" by jumping into a pool
    from the roof of a five-story condominium. He missed, shattering
    both legs, police said.
    Paul Smith, a Sarasota High School dropout, was in critical but
    stable condition Wednesday at Bayfront Medical Center in St.
    Petersburg, according to the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office.
    One friend was videotaping and five others were watching from
    below as Smith jumped. His legs and torso hit the ledge of the
    pool, and he tumbled into the water.
    Three of his friends had previously jumped.
    Sheriff's Office spokesman Steve Burns said the teens were
    trying imitate the movie and now-defunct MTV show "Jackass,"
    which featured crude stunts and gross-out antics.
    "He's an 18-year-old and can make his own decisions," Burns
    told the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. "I hope that everybody he sees
    on television or movie he wouldn't duplicate. To willfully do
    something like that and be injured, it makes you shake your head."
    The show and the movie it inspired include a warning to not to
    try the stunts at home and they say the producers don't accept
    submissions. But several serious injuries have been linked to
    imitations.
    In another Jackass stunt in Florida, three Panhandle teenagers
    were arrested in March on animal cruelty and other charges after
    police confiscated videotape of one or more of the teens setting
    themselves and a frog on fire, swallowing and regurgitating a fish
    and vandalizing city property. Police said the teens were inspired
    by the TV series.
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    I want to know what happened in their lives to cause such BRAIN DAMAGE!!!!!


    Sheesh... kids these days....
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    Originally posted by mcaldwell
    How many of us can remember being "ratted out" to our parents by the neighbour or another kid's parent when we did something wrong? How many times did we get yelled at by someone other than our parents for doing something wrong? Who remembers getting the Strap in school?

    People in general these days are too quick to cry foul when the teacher disciplines a rowdy kid, or when the neighbour drags a kid home by his ear for ripping up his garden.

    A kid knows he can get away with anything because the neighbours are all too scared of being sued by each other to talk.

    I couldn't agree more! Great commentary on the lack of discipline that is so apparent these days.

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    Funny, when I was a kid I didn't have the slightest desire to emmulate Wiley E. Coyote's pranks on the Roadrunner. I just cheered him on and hoped that one day he caught that stupid bird

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    Originally posted by blaze79
    What were the cops doing while this was happening??
    Well, the story on the front page of fh.com indicates that now we know what the cop was doing. He was following his training and was using force to overcome force. He was in a situation where deadly force may have been the only option.

    ATT: prepare to get mad at me

    We also know now that the medic acted in a manner that was, plain and simple, stupid. If a police officer is doing his job, has his weapon drawn and pointed at the subject, why on earth would an unarmed, untrained medic/FF feel compelled to act in this situation? The cop wasn't in danger of being overpowered. He was properly and justifiably defending himself according to his training.

    I hope this guy fully recovers and gets back on the job as well. But he is not a hero. He was stupid.

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    Default All good Points

    I tend to lean towards George's angle I don't care if it's an 11 year old weilding a butter knife, only the situation can dictate our reaction. Many a call I've been on where an officer needed "assistance" with an unruly patient to be. I have no problem helping out a fellow safety professional (contrary to what the book says), but our own safety must remain at the forefront. All this being said, we've all had "Freedom of Speech" rammed down our throats as of late, but in a situation like this "Jackass" nonsense, it just goes to show that it ain't always what it was probably meant to be.

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    ATT: prepare to get mad at me
    Not on this one. PO was doing his job, don't interfere and become a victim.
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI

    ATT: prepare to get mad at me
    Hey George.....
    Sometimes I read your posts and really get 'red in the face', but not this time.

    If the officer has his weapon drawn and pointed at the perp the last place I want to be is behind the perp, especially knowing that the damage a 9mm or 40 S&W can do. Good call...

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    I think that you nailed this one on the head George

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    George is right. It sure sounds like the officer had the situation under control and the medic got in the way. It really sounds like he's lucky he didn't get shot!

    Still, I pray he makes a full recovery.

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    I'm guessing the medic didn't want the police officer to have to shoot a 17yr old kid and tried to mitigate it his own way. I don't blame him for that, I wouldn't want to see an officer have to shoot this troubled kid either. We all know we need to think fast and on our feet in this line of work, but sometimes you need to stop and think a little first, especially when weapons are involved.
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    Not to mention that the medic could get introuble for his actions. He needlessly put him self in the line of fire, and endagered himself, but also the cop. He may have made the situation that much worse.

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    I don't think the medic should be taking all the heat in this one. If the cop really didn't want him interfering, he would have waved him off. I think the cop was probably pretty happy that he didn't have to shoot a 17 year old kid. Those kinds of incidents stick with you your whole life.

    We have a security dept here at the resort, and the police (RCMP) EXPECT assistance from them, and as manager of the emergency services dept (which includes security), I have been called out of bed by the RCMP on multiple occasions to provide backup at local domestics, etc. I am not armed so I try to let him/her lead, but I have had to jump in and help many times.
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