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    I disagree.

    How many of us can remember being "ratted out" to our parents by the neighbour or another kid's parent when we did something wrong? How many times did we get yelled at by someone other than our parents for doing something wrong? Who remembers getting the Strap in school?

    People in general these days are too quick to cry foul when the teacher disciplines a rowdy kid, or when the neighbour drags a kid home by his ear for ripping up his garden.

    Most people get mad and say "who are they to say how I should raise my child". Well you know what, there is no school of parenting, no license or certification required, and bad habits are passed down generation to generation. We all need to realize that by locking our doors, barring the windows, and telling kids to ignore the teacher because he/she doesn't know what they are talking about is only teaching disrespect and contempt for other people.

    A kid knows he can get away with anything because the neighbours are all too scared of being sued by each other to talk.

    We all say we are too busy, but how much of what we do is self-serving? How much really gives back to the community and makes it stronger? I am a volunteer Firefighter, I do this and many other things in my community because it makes it a better place to live. And when I see a troubled kid, I talk to the parents, offer counseling and try to give him some direction. It is too easy to say "not my problem", and let them continue on down a path towards destruction as the young man in the story has.
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    Originally posted by tanker5117
    Just curious about something. If there were police on scene, why would a medic try to restrain an armed individual? whether it is a gun, a knife, or a bat, he was armed and the cops should have restrained/dis-armed him before the medic moved in. Just a thought.


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    But what if that where you, would you want someone unarmed to try to help you or just standaround and watch?
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    Post More idiots.....

    SARASOTA COUNTY, Fla. (AP) - An 18-year-old tried to imitate a
    stunt from the television show "Jackass" by jumping into a pool
    from the roof of a five-story condominium. He missed, shattering
    both legs, police said.
    Paul Smith, a Sarasota High School dropout, was in critical but
    stable condition Wednesday at Bayfront Medical Center in St.
    Petersburg, according to the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office.
    One friend was videotaping and five others were watching from
    below as Smith jumped. His legs and torso hit the ledge of the
    pool, and he tumbled into the water.
    Three of his friends had previously jumped.
    Sheriff's Office spokesman Steve Burns said the teens were
    trying imitate the movie and now-defunct MTV show "Jackass,"
    which featured crude stunts and gross-out antics.
    "He's an 18-year-old and can make his own decisions," Burns
    told the Sarasota Herald-Tribune. "I hope that everybody he sees
    on television or movie he wouldn't duplicate. To willfully do
    something like that and be injured, it makes you shake your head."
    The show and the movie it inspired include a warning to not to
    try the stunts at home and they say the producers don't accept
    submissions. But several serious injuries have been linked to
    imitations.
    In another Jackass stunt in Florida, three Panhandle teenagers
    were arrested in March on animal cruelty and other charges after
    police confiscated videotape of one or more of the teens setting
    themselves and a frog on fire, swallowing and regurgitating a fish
    and vandalizing city property. Police said the teens were inspired
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    I want to know what happened in their lives to cause such BRAIN DAMAGE!!!!!


    Sheesh... kids these days....
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    Originally posted by mcaldwell
    How many of us can remember being "ratted out" to our parents by the neighbour or another kid's parent when we did something wrong? How many times did we get yelled at by someone other than our parents for doing something wrong? Who remembers getting the Strap in school?

    People in general these days are too quick to cry foul when the teacher disciplines a rowdy kid, or when the neighbour drags a kid home by his ear for ripping up his garden.

    A kid knows he can get away with anything because the neighbours are all too scared of being sued by each other to talk.

    I couldn't agree more! Great commentary on the lack of discipline that is so apparent these days.

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    Funny, when I was a kid I didn't have the slightest desire to emmulate Wiley E. Coyote's pranks on the Roadrunner. I just cheered him on and hoped that one day he caught that stupid bird

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    Originally posted by blaze79
    What were the cops doing while this was happening??
    Well, the story on the front page of fh.com indicates that now we know what the cop was doing. He was following his training and was using force to overcome force. He was in a situation where deadly force may have been the only option.

    ATT: prepare to get mad at me

    We also know now that the medic acted in a manner that was, plain and simple, stupid. If a police officer is doing his job, has his weapon drawn and pointed at the subject, why on earth would an unarmed, untrained medic/FF feel compelled to act in this situation? The cop wasn't in danger of being overpowered. He was properly and justifiably defending himself according to his training.

    I hope this guy fully recovers and gets back on the job as well. But he is not a hero. He was stupid.

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    Default All good Points

    I tend to lean towards George's angle I don't care if it's an 11 year old weilding a butter knife, only the situation can dictate our reaction. Many a call I've been on where an officer needed "assistance" with an unruly patient to be. I have no problem helping out a fellow safety professional (contrary to what the book says), but our own safety must remain at the forefront. All this being said, we've all had "Freedom of Speech" rammed down our throats as of late, but in a situation like this "Jackass" nonsense, it just goes to show that it ain't always what it was probably meant to be.

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    ATT: prepare to get mad at me
    Not on this one. PO was doing his job, don't interfere and become a victim.
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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI

    ATT: prepare to get mad at me
    Hey George.....
    Sometimes I read your posts and really get 'red in the face', but not this time.

    If the officer has his weapon drawn and pointed at the perp the last place I want to be is behind the perp, especially knowing that the damage a 9mm or 40 S&W can do. Good call...

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    I think that you nailed this one on the head George

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    George is right. It sure sounds like the officer had the situation under control and the medic got in the way. It really sounds like he's lucky he didn't get shot!

    Still, I pray he makes a full recovery.

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    I'm guessing the medic didn't want the police officer to have to shoot a 17yr old kid and tried to mitigate it his own way. I don't blame him for that, I wouldn't want to see an officer have to shoot this troubled kid either. We all know we need to think fast and on our feet in this line of work, but sometimes you need to stop and think a little first, especially when weapons are involved.
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    Not to mention that the medic could get introuble for his actions. He needlessly put him self in the line of fire, and endagered himself, but also the cop. He may have made the situation that much worse.

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    I don't think the medic should be taking all the heat in this one. If the cop really didn't want him interfering, he would have waved him off. I think the cop was probably pretty happy that he didn't have to shoot a 17 year old kid. Those kinds of incidents stick with you your whole life.

    We have a security dept here at the resort, and the police (RCMP) EXPECT assistance from them, and as manager of the emergency services dept (which includes security), I have been called out of bed by the RCMP on multiple occasions to provide backup at local domestics, etc. I am not armed so I try to let him/her lead, but I have had to jump in and help many times.
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    I'm guessing the medic didn't want the police officer to have to shoot a 17yr old kid and tried to mitigate it his own way. I don't blame him for that, I wouldn't want to see an officer have to shoot this troubled kid either. We all know we need to think fast and on our feet in this line of work, but sometimes you need to stop and think a little first, especially when weapons are involved.
    Not for nothin', but TOUGH! It's not the medics call. I don't care if it's a nun coming at me with a weapon, if I have to shoot, it's my call, no one elese's. This is a stupid reason to get involved in something you are clearly not capabe of handling.

    If the cop really didn't want him interfering, he would have waved him off. I think the cop was probably pretty happy that he didn't have to shoot a 17 year old kid. Those kinds of incidents stick with you your whole life.
    Please. First of all, no cop likes shooting people. But wave him off? It sounds like this guy was hellbent to do whatever he wanted.

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    I hope that there are some follow up reports on this to indicate some more detail. Because for now it does sound like this medic did not act with due regard to himself, and others around him. What if the perp turned and took his head off with the bat, then the cop definetly would not of had a choice in the situation.

    It just sounds like a bad position to place your self into.

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    But George and I agree. You nailed it pal. The medic was stupid for getting involved in that manner.
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    (Oneonta-AP) -- An Oneonta firefighter is slowly recovering from
    a serious head injury. 31-year-old Travis Brown was hit in the head
    May Fourth while trying to restrain a bat-wielding teenager.
    The 17-year-old said he was trying to videotape a prank to send
    to the MTV stunt television show, "Jackass." Fire Chief Charles
    Montgomery says Brown was deaf in his left ear, but can now hear
    some ringing noises. He says Brown is also getting some movement on
    the left side of his face which was paralyzed.
    Montgomery says the juvenile was charged in juvenile court.
    Brown doesn't remember the incident. Montgomery says they hope he
    makes a full recovery and returns to work.


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    Cops have guns. Shoot him. One less idiot in the world.
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    Idiot+bat= police problem = me still in truck

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    Unhappy Even more idiotic stunts.........

    AUBURNDALE, Fla. (AP) - Two teenagers are facing criminal
    charges after allegedly throwing a life-size mannequin off an
    overpass into traffic, in what police say was an attempt to mimic
    the antics of the now-defunct MTV show "Jackass."
    Herbert Moul and Christopher Key, both 16, have each been
    charged with a felony count of throwing a deadly missile, plus two
    misdemeanor counts of criminal mischief, police said.
    Key threw the mannequin off the overpass three times while Moul
    filmed the acts. Key nearly threw the mannequin onto a passing
    sports-utility vehicle on the third throw, said Auburndale Police
    Department spokesman Lt. Thrasey Tucker.
    Moul and Key will not be tried as adults. They were being held
    at the Juvenile Detention Facility in Bartow, Tucker said.
    "Young people going out and doing these things on their own are
    just going to get themselves hurt," Tucker said. "The important
    thing for these kids to remember is just because they see it on TV,
    doesn't mean do it."
    The MTV show and movie version of "Jackass" include warnings
    to tell viewers not to attempt the crude stunts and other antics at
    home. But several serious injuries and at least two deaths
    nationwide have been linked to attempts to imitate "Jackass."
    Earlier this month, an 18-year-old also apparently was imitating
    the show's antics when he tried to jump into a pool from the roof
    of a five-story Sarasota condominium. Paul Smith broke both legs
    and an ankle, fractured his pelvis and an arm when he landed on the
    concrete surrounding the pool, plus was later charged with
    trespassing.
    And last week, a 13-year-old Ohio boy threw a cup of boiling
    water on his best friend as he slept, causing second-degree burns,
    police said.
    In another incident, a 14-year-old Minnesota boy was burned over
    65 percent of his body last month after setting himself on fire in
    an apparent imitation of a "human barbecue" stunt once featured
    on "Jackass."
    Auburndale is about 42 miles southwest of Orlando.
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    Obviously there are lots of stupid kids out there, but I still think it is a cop-out to blame MTV.

    When I was a kid, we regularly performed our own brand of stupid stunts with no encouragement other than dares and a sense of invincibility. Some of our favorites were:
    -We regularly jumped off the garage roof into my buddies pool.
    -We used to jump our BMX bikes out of moving boxcars in the rail yard (empty ones obviously).
    -We climbed radio towers to hang our initials painted on a bedsheet.
    -We duct taped our buddies to flagpoles and left them outside until rescued by someone.
    -We pool raced from one end of the street to the other jumping every fence and swimming across every pool on the way (often wearing a kids ducky ring cause we were drunk and feared we would drown).
    -And we stole dozens of cheap lawn ornaments and arranged them on the railroad tracks for the trains to crush.

    Admittedly all very stupid and dangerous things to do, but we never hurt anybody but ourselves, and we grew out of it by the time we turned 18. Kids will always do stupid things, that's part of growing up. The issue that needs to be addressed is why they are now showing such a widespread lack of respect for other people's safety.
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