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    Angry Firefighter injured by "Jack*****" Teen

    Normally, I could care less about the stupid stunts some of these kids pull....and wind up injuring themselves. However...when they start injuring "brothers" in the act....THAT'S WHERE I DRAW THE LINE! What responsibility should the producers assume....for injuries sustained as a direct result of teens attempting to emulate stunts seen on this show? Keep in mind....this is not an isolated incident. There have been previous accounts of stupid stunts resulting in burns, bruises, broken bones.....

    Who is responsible? MTV? The kids? The parents?



    BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) - An Oneonta firefighter was seriously
    injured while trying to restrain a bat-wielding teenager trying to
    film a prank for television, police said Monday.
    Officers said the 17-year-old boy told police he was trying to
    make a videotape of a prank to send to the MTV stunt television
    show "Jackass."
    Firefighter/paramedic Travis Brown, 31, was listed in fair
    condition Monday in the neurointensive care unit at University
    Hospital in Birmingham, a hospital spokesman said.
    Early Sunday morning, firefighters and police saw a young man
    lying in the street in downtown Oneonta with an aluminum baseball
    bat in one hand and a video camera in the other, police said.
    As the youth approached a police officer, Brown came up from
    behind and tried to restrain him, Fire Chief Charles Montgomery
    said. The two fell during the struggle and Brown struck his head on
    the pavement, he said.
    The teenager was released into his parents' custody pending
    charges, said Oneonta Police Chief James Chapman, who refused to
    identify the youth because of his age.

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    This just serves to remind us,

    Always fall ON TOP of the kid, let him take the pain.
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    This all goes back to training.

    IN FF1, you learn that there is a quicker swing speed with a Mag lite than a baseball bat. You are given the tools to do the job...use them.

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    wash him off the road with the deck gun dont you know anything

    now that would get him on jackass
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    Cops have guns. Shoot him. One less idiot in the world.
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    The worse part is that this kid will not even get more then a slap on the wrist for this.

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    Just curious about something. If there were police on scene, why would a medic try to restrain an armed individual? whether it is a gun, a knife, or a bat, he was armed and the cops should have restrained/dis-armed him before the medic moved in. Just a thought.


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    That is a good point, last I checked there is nothing in the traning that a Fire Fighter recives covering how to handle an armed teenager.

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    What were the cops doing while this was happening??

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    Something that is continually drilled into us is "SCENE SAFETY, SCENE SAFETY, SCENE SAFETY!!!!!" If the situation is not safe we have no business being there...the police are the ones trained for these situations, and they are the ones that should be handling them. This firefighter was doing something that he should not have been doing in the first place, and he got hurt doing it. It is a shame...

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    Guys, don't be so hard on the PD. The story doesn't really give a detailed description of the incident and many towns in Alabama have very few officers on a patrol shift. It is entirely possible he felt he needed to act to aid the officer(s).

    Airborne, down here a 17 year old has a pretty good chance of getting certified to stand trial as an adult so he may get more than a slap on the wrist.

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    That is a good point, last I checked there is nothing in the traning that a Fire Fighter recives covering how to handle an armed teenager.
    Dude, it was a joke. Ya know? "Administer 50cc's of Maglite".

    We don't really know squat about this incident other than a short article. BTW, the only person to blame is the 17YOA kid.

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    Having two children devoted to this show, own the movie on dvd and have been known to chuckle or cringe or cry "That just aint right!!!!" at appropriate times, I can attest to the fact that prior to every single show an explicit message is flashed warning viewers that the show will not under any circumstances view any video tapes that are sent in of idiots.......errrrrrr I mean viewers attempting similar stunts.

    Goes back to the old adage that people have to take responsibility for their own stupidity....errrrrrrr I mean actions and stop blaming others.

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    My question would be....why do we want training in dealing with armed teenagers???? How hard is that... Stay back and let the guys that carry all those clips of ammo on their belts handle it. When he is armed it is a police problem...when he is "disarmed" it becomes our problem.....

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    OK folks. I was joking about the training. I was comically contrasting the effect of a maglite and a baseball bat.

    The FD does not deal with armed subjects. That is a PD function. In this particular incident, we know little of really happened based a short newspaper article.

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    Default Give me a break

    Who is responsible? MTV? The kids? The parents?
    The mere suggestion that MTV is to blame is ridiculous. When are we going to stop blaming television for these idiots. It was the kid's fault and that is that. I am so sick and tired of people using their television as a babysitter crying about what their kid watches in the process. Once the kid reaches 17 though, except in the most extreme cases of bad (or lack of) parenting, he should know right from wrong.

    How about knowing what your kid watches. I could tell you EVERYTHING my son watched yesterday. When he becomes a teenager, maybe that won't be feasible. I assure you however, he will have a firm grasp on reality, and will understand that imitating Jackass, especially where civil disobedience is involved, will not be tolerated.

    HELLO PARENT OF THE WORLD! TV IS NOT TO BLAME.

    Oh, and by the way. I hope the brother makes a full recovery. He should let the police handle these situations in the future.

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    no but corwd control with hoselines used to be training
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    Default Re: Give me a break

    Originally posted by Duffman


    The mere suggestion that MTV is to blame is ridiculous. When are we going to stop blaming television for these idiots. It was the kid's fault and that is that. I am so sick and tired of people using their television as a babysitter crying about what their kid watches in the process. Once the kid reaches 17 though, except in the most extreme cases of bad (or lack of) parenting, he should know right from wrong.

    I totally agree with Duffman, thousands of kids watch these shows and yet have the intelligence not to try the stunts. Blaming tv is as bad as blaming music for violence. I would hope that the human WILLPOWER is strong enough to not listen to a song or tv.
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    I also agree with Duffman. However, some teens that never had a good upbringing are sometimes so unstable that they are influenced very easily, whether it be by movies or the evening news.

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    And IMHO these are the parents that are destroying our society by placing a burden and a danger to the rest of us by there lack of parenting skills.

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