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    In regards to the hokey-ness, one of the first posts sent me an email that he was a Toyne dealer. The other oddity is that I actually got a response on the subject. Posted a thread a few weeks ago looking for info on Spencer Manufacturing out of Michigan and did not get any replies. I think the small regional companies are worth looking into because they have to be building a decent product or they would not be in business. My department, before my time, bought one of the first Pierces in Western Pennsylvania when they were barely known outside of WIsconsin.

    Thank you to everyone who posted a reply!!
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    I'm not trying to deny that they might make a good product. My issue is that there were so many posts about them that sounded like sales pitches, and most of those posts were from people who had made these their first posts.

    It seemed like someone went and made the various user names to make it appear that they were from a fire department with apparatus by Toyne, when, IMHO, I believe it was actually one of the salesman or someone from the company who made up the usernames so they could pretend to be a firefighter, to spread the name of their company.

    IF THIS IS THE CASE, and I stress that because I have no way of knowing for sure, that is a dirty salesman/spokesperson for the company. As I said earlier, people come on these forums to get opinions from OTHER FIREFIGHTERS (people who actually use the equipment and can give HONEST opinions), not from salesman. We can get the sales pitches from the salesman themselves or from a brochure. And if I was the one looking for opinions and a salesman did this to me, I would seriously start to question the companies integrity. No, the company may not have done this themselves, but their employees are representatives for the company, and it would make me question what kind of other games they may play. I stress again, this is just my opinion on the situation, and if I have offended anyone, I apologize.

    Bottom line........ If you are a salesman of a product, and someone asks an opinion of the product you sell (or a competitor), and you give your input, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU MAKE EVERYONE AWARE THAT YOU ARE A SALESMAN/EMPLOYEE OF XYZ COMPANY. You need to do this by POSTING it in the thread and not by emailing the original poster, because many people who may be looking for info later will do a search through these forums and have no way of knowing that you are a salesman without it being in the posts. You also need to make sure that you are giving FACTUAL information only, or state that it is your opinion, because every salesman will tell you that his product is best, but we want to know WHY you think it is the best. I have seen many of the salesmen post on these forums, and the majority of the GOOD ones will state that they are a salesman for XYZ company or they will, at the very least, put it in their signature their name and the company they work for.

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    jmerrill -

    I totally agree with you. You need to do your homework before buying an apparatus. I contacted many companies to get information about the vehicle we were looking for. My whole goal when working on this committee was to spec the truck how we wanted it and to get bids from as many companies as possible and to just ensure that we were getting a quality piece that was made the way WE wanted it to be made. We ended up getting ours from KME. When we replaced an engine 2 years ago, I believe that committee did the same thing, and what you were saying about Pierce is true. Their bid was nowhere near what our spec was. There were many many exceptions to our spec. THey did what you said. They submitted a bid for the truck they wanted us to buy, not the truck we wanted.

    As in anything, you just have to do your research and get what suits your department and what will work best for your department.

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    Jmerrill?

    That would be Joe Merrill your local Toyne Fire Apparatus dealer for Michigan out of Alpena, MI.

    Go figure. Another sales pitch. Maybe his own department bought a Toyne through him?

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    jmerril....

    You are entitled to an opinion...but we are also entitled to know that you are a Toyne sales representative.. You have admitted as much, but only after being called on it by some one that knows who you are. It has been discussed many times on the forums and in fact reps of fire equipment companies have been warned by the web team for posting "sales pitches" about their product lines.

    Perhaps your opinion would not now be viewed as tainted if you had told the whole story up front. You know, how you became interested in Toyne when your FD purchased one and because of your opinion of the company you now sell for them.

    By the way, I am not a sales rep for anything or anyone...I am a firefighter.

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    jmerril...

    Where did you go?

    hmmmmm.....

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    I am not a sales person so here is my opinion, Toyne makes a good unit there are a small company. Pierce makes a good unit, not as good as they used to since Osh Kosh bought them my opinion. I would not buy a Sutphen we have two they are junk, e-one's seem to rust quicker. all the others I have not used so don't know. Oh yea Peter Pirsh and sons to bad they are no more is good
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    jmerril....

    If you would read my posts you would see that I am not a sales rep, factory rep, or manufacturer of any fire equipment of any kind. I am a career firefighter in a medium sized Wisconsin city and a volly FF in a small rural community.

    I have no axe to grind with Toyne. My problem was with your less than honest approach. I would have had much more respect for you if you had told the story originally that you eventually told. Plain and simple you are a sales rep, you hid that fact until you got caught by someone who knew who you were.

    By the way my choice would be a brand new Mack CF if they were still made!!

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    Hey! What happened to all of jmerrils posts?


    hmmmmm............

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    Maybe the ole WT came though for us again. Maybe they deletd them because he tried to hide the fact that he's a salesman for the company. Just goes to prove my point that you need to be up front and honest........

    But then again, he's a salesman........

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    Dave Fornell stopped by the other day with the Toyne destined for Danbury Eng 9. HME SFO Chassis with a rescue body and through the tank ladder rack, also included a tunnel for a stokes as he told me that Eng 9 is spinning up for RIT activities. Neat little buggy, they call it the Alleycat.

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    Citadel...

    I have no beef with Toyne. The problem here was a guy who came on here and pretended not to be a salesman until someone called him on it.

    I have taught with Dave Fornell and I respect his opinion. If he said it is a good rig...then I believe him.

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    No apology needed. What'sizname hijacked the thread and created the problem. Lost the focus on the original question. I worked with Dave on the FETN Company officer series, lots of fun even if it was during the last week of July.

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    I have no experience with Toyne here in Michigan. I don't know if they (Toyne) has any deliveries here in the state.

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