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    Post Russian Fire Fatalities=20.000 per year

    MOSCOW (AP) - Some 20,000 people died last year in fires in
    Russia,about 55 people every day, the head of the country's top
    emergency response official said Wednesday.
    "The number of victims of fires keeps increasing," Emergency
    Situations Minister Sergei Shoigu told Russia's lower house of
    parliament, according to the Interfax news agency.
    Shoigu told Russian lawmakers that the amount of housing
    destroyed in fires last year was equivalent to that of a town with
    a population of 250,000.
    Most of the victims, which included 750 children, died at home,
    "which suggests that apartment buildings and private houses are
    not property protected from fire," Interfax quoted Shoigu as
    Fire fatalities in Russia have skyrocketed since the end of the
    Soviet Union. Experts blame lower public vigilance, a disregard for
    safety standards and a dramatic rise in the number of homeless
    desperate to keep warm during icy winters.
    These factors - and the country's many stove-heated, wooden
    houses in isolated villages - have led to some of the world's
    grimmest fire statistics.
    Last month, fire safety again came to the forefront of public
    attention in Russia when two fires roared through separate Russian
    schools, killing at least 52 students.
    Investigators cited safety violations as a possible cause of
    both of the blazes.

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    This sounds like we need to try to send out a contingent to help instruct on home fire safety. However, as with most things the local govermnent may not take too kindly to "Western Interventions". It's just really sad that those fatalities are "expected" losses.
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    It has been suspected that the increase in fire deaths in Russia may be because prior to the collapse of the USSR, the Soviets grossly under reported fire losses as it didn't look good politically. In addition, we don't know what statistical method(s) they use for data analysis. BTW, if they kill 20,000, doesn't the 750 children sound low - very low?

    Unfortunately, we don't have much about which to brag either:

    NFPA statistics indicate that nationwide, there was a fire death in the home every 170 minutes (less than every 3 hours - 8 per day).

    Number of Structure Fires = 521,500
    Number of Residential Fires = 396,500
    % Residential Fires in Structures = 76%

    Number of Civilian Deaths in Structures = 3,220
    Number of Civilian Deaths in Residential Properties = 3,140
    % Residential deaths in Structures = 97.5%

    Number of Civilian Injuries in Structures = 17,225
    Number of Civilian Injuries in Residential Properties = 15,575
    % Residential injuries in Structures = 90%

    Total Dollar Loss in Structures = $8,874,000,000
    Dollar Loss in Residential Properties = $5,643,000,000
    % Residential Loss in Structures = 63.6%

    97.5% of fire deaths in buildings occur in the residential setting. If you are going to die in a fire, chances are that it will be in your own home. (Something to think about for fire prevention talks.)

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    While the American numbers are nothing to shrug off, the population of the Post Soviet Union "Russia" is actually half of the US's current pop. The US pop is almost 300 million, and Russia Proper is barely 144 million.

    If the 20,000 is for Russia alone, that makes the numbers all that much worse by comparison.

    It unfortunately makes sense that when faced with Russia's levels of poverty, corruption, and high unemployment, public safety goes right out the window. I don't think they will see much improvement until their economy begins to support itself again.

    I would be willing to bet you couldn't find more than a handfull of working Fire/Building Inspectors in the entire country.
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    No, if the speed of light from the source relative to yourself was 0 miles per second, you would be traveling at the same speed as the light there fore it would be clearly visible, and never changing.

    The speed of dark is any NEGATIVE mile per second figure from the light source that is greater than the speed of light.

    eg 186,000.5 miles/sec would be dark as you are out going to outrun the source light, as long as you are traveling at that speed when the source is turned on beside you.

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    You pose an interesting analysis. However, consider that Light is Energy and Dark is No Energy (0.0 Energy or the absence of energy). Having no energy how can Dark move?

    Let's draw a parallel: Heat travels from a hot object to a cold object. Cold does not travel to a hot object. Heat is Energy and Cold is No Energy. In other words, cold does not exist. Neither does dark.

    Now, you seem to be saying that as light travels through dark, the dark is traveling in the opposite direction at some speed relative to the speed of light. Now, to a person watching light traveling through dark, dark is not moving - light is moving. If a person were riding on the beam of light passing through dark, the dark would not be moving because (1) it does not exist and (2) if dark did exist, it would be destroyed as light enters and travels through the dark, hence dark does not move.

    Finally, if dark does exist, why is it not discussed in any physics books? Now, if you can prove that dark does exist and that it can move (at any velocity), then you will win the Nobel Prize.

    Am I close?

    BTW, Isn't this getting a bit off-topic???

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    i was going to say if you see my one part of my reply in the amish whacker thread i alos pointed this out

    it confused me for a while because it was wrong in the first place and because as stated dark is the abscence of light..thus not moving
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    Light/Dark: An interesting side show, but back to the more serious issue:

    There was an article in “Fire Technology” (Vol. 30, No. 4, 1994) by some Russians from the “Fire Technology Engineering School of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia” regarding fire losses in Russia for the year 1993. Some of the statistics used in the article include:

    Russia: 149 Million
    US: 250 Million
    World: 5.5 Billion

    Number of Fires:
    Russia: 332,000 (The article also uses the value of 381,789)
    US: 2,000,000
    World: 5,500,000

    Number of Deaths:
    Russia: 13,474
    US: 5,000
    World: 60,000

    Number of Fires per 1,000 population:
    Russia: 2.2
    US: 7.8
    World: 1.0

    Number of Deaths per million population:
    Russia: 90
    US: 20
    World: 11

    Number of Deaths per 1,000 fires:
    Russia: 40
    US: 3
    World: 11

    The article also includes 2 graphs. One shows the trend in deaths and the other the number of fires per year in Russia since 1986. Remember, in 1986 Russia was a part of the USSR. In 1986 there were 6,500 deaths and 235,000 fires.

    Now, Compare these numbers to the AP article which indicates that 20,000 died of which 750 were children.

    Look at the numbers, draw some conclusions, and formulate some questions. What do you think?

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