Thread: need help to prove a point....
06-01-2003, 08:41 AM #1
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- Nov 2002
need help to prove a point....
We are currently looking into buying a new fire truck, we want crew cab pumper ( contender or something like that ) But we have to prove what the department benefits would be at the officers meeting and then (even worst) to the city meeting. I want to know how it helped your department to have a crew cab pumper. We are also thinking of putting our jaws of life on that truck. Please i really need your help.. Any stories, comments and/or feedback is really really welcomed.
Thanks in advance for all stories, feedback and comments.
FF, Fire Prevention Officer, Instructor
10-28-2003, 04:32 PM #2
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- Sep 1999
- On the way to the station. Really. It's 12 kilometers away and there's traffic.
Benefit of a crew cab pumper?
You get enough firefighters to the scene to use the truck!
When I joined my volunteer department in 1990, we'd just been assigned a GMC TopKick pumper with a three-man cab (with all the junk in the cab, it became a 2-man cab, though). You can't do effective firefighting with two people on a pump. We run 5 on each of our pumps and consider that ideal.
If you're putting your "tools" on the truck, too, you have to, have to, have to have more than two or three people arriving with it. If you get involved in a difficult extrication, you are going to need to have a group of at least 4 people specifically dedicated to doing the extrication job.
As an aside, regarding putting rescue equipment on a pumper - if you get to a rescue, you want to have a line off for protection, plus you want to have a crew for the tools/job, as I mentioned. Depending on how many people you run on a pump, you may want to rethink that idea. We specifically put our tools on a dedicated Rescue truck, partly for that reason.
this time posting as FF/EMT, Redwood Meadows Emergency Services
10-29-2003, 03:48 PM #3
One excellent benefit is the ability to discuss and plan on your way to the incident.A'int No Rocket Scientist's in The Firehall
11-07-2003, 01:02 AM #4
For volley crews, I think that fewer people responding in POV's is a big benefit as well. I don't know very many FF's who actually tell thier insurance companies that they respond in thier own vehicles, and in Canada only command Officers are permitted to use lights and sirens on POV's
There is plenty of opportunity for litigation and/or a black eye for the dept/city if a volunteer caused a wreck on the way to a scene.
Just another idea for your arguement. Good Luck!Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!
11-08-2003, 12:57 AM #5
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- Oct 2003
From a safety standpoint ALL personnel have to be in an enclosed cab now as per NFPA 1901 and I would suggest all provincial WCB's and the new proposed ULC S515 Standard that will mirror in most respects the NFPA 1901-2003 Standard that is effective Jan 1/04.
You need to decide if you can afford a 4 door commercial or custom cab and chassis? There are also crew cabs on commercial two door cabs that have an enclosed pump operator's panel (Transverse) thall also meet the requirements.
There are many reputable builders available who will provide you with information and assistance.
11-21-2003, 04:29 PM #6Originally posted by Smoke20286
One excellent benefit is the ability to discuss and plan on your way to the incident.If at first you don't succeed; skydiving isn't for you!
12-12-2003, 12:49 PM #7
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- Dec 2003
A closed cab is the way to go. They are warmer and provide an environment where each FF can be assigned his or her duty and prepare for that same duty. My station currently runs a 94 pierce which carries a 6-man crew. We have our rescue tools and everything else we need to work on a scene. It's a huge step up from the old scot we used to run. Good luck with your proposal.
12-20-2003, 12:02 AM #8
Gee an enclosed cab, what a novel idea, ya think? For once you think that maybe the town coucil would get there heads out of their political arses, take a breath of fresh air and do some thing that is good for not only their fire dept. but benifets the community as a whole. I really feel for you FFs that are in the smaller communities with tight budgets. The playgrounds, community centres, tourist info buildings etc.etc. always seem to take priority over the fire dept. and there quest to make a safer community. Don't get me wrong these other things are important in there own right but who screams the loudest when one goes up in smoke and the FD is already at a disadvantage to fight said fire. I am extremely fortunate to serve on a FD that is held in high regard by our city council because they realise that we as a volly dept. are an extremely valuable asset to our city in relation to having to hire a full time force. Their acceptance of our FD enables us to do our job effectivly and safely and that is the bottom line. Didn't mean to turn this thread into a political soap box by my off topic rambling, but yes by all means buy and enclosed cab and tell town council to get on with life.
01-03-2004, 09:08 AM #9
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- Apr 2003
As my wife always tells me - It's not the size that matters it's what you do with it!!!!!
01-09-2004, 12:38 PM #10
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- Jan 2003
I am a ff here in alberta and quit a few vol ff's respond in personal vehicles. And yes, all are given lights, not just command.
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