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    Default You may stop then procede through the red light with due care with...

    A fire truck, police car, or ambulance running lights & sirens...

    Or?

    http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/0603/06redlight.html

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    Law allowing motorcycles to run red lights effective July 1
    The Associated Press

    KNOXVILLE -- Beginning July 1, Tennessee motorcyclists can legally run red
    lights -- if they stop first and "exercise due care" -- under a bill signed
    into law by Gov. Phil Bredesen.
    Motorcyclists had complained they were forced to wait excessive periods of
    time at stop lights because sensors that control the lights did not
    recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass,
    not metal.
    For Nashville area resident and motorcyclist Steve Lundwall, the law can't
    begin too soon.
    "Sometimes, I put down the kickstand and just wait (at a stoplight)," said
    Lundwall, a business analyst in Nashville and state director of Concerned
    Motorcyclists of Tennessee.
    His group helped push the bill through the Legislature.
    The new law isn't as popular with the state's law enforcement and
    transportation community, who say it will be difficult to enforce.
    "It almost takes it out of our hands to write a ticket for motorcycles
    running a red light," said Lt. Bob Lyons of Nashville's Traffic Division.
    "How do we know if he's been sitting there or not?"
    Sgt. Jeff Keeter, a motorcycle officer in Nashville for six years, said he's
    felt the frustration of being stuck at red lights but thinks the law may
    cause accidents.
    "We'll have motorcycles trying to cross six lanes. ... Working traffic
    collisions, I don't have much confidence in drivers or riders.
    "I can't believe this was even considered."
    The governor signed the bill because "ultimately, the research did not show
    an increased safety risk," Bredesen spokeswoman Lydia Lenker said.
    At least one other state, Minnesota, has passed a similar law, the model for
    Tennessee's statute, said Wayne Shaub of Brentwood, legislative chairman for
    Concerned Motorcyclists of Tennessee.
    Bill Moore, chief engineer with the Tennessee Department of Transportation,
    earlier told a Senate committee there could be safety concerns. The Senate
    passed the bill 28-1 last month.
    "We don't want to see anyone injured or killed. We don't have the greatest
    safety record in Tennessee, and we don't think this would improve it," Moore
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    Bill Moore, chief engineer with the Tennessee Department of Transportation, earlier told a Senate committee there could be safety concerns. The Senate passed the bill 28-1 last month. "We don't want to see anyone injured or killed. We don't have the greatest safety record in Tennessee, and we don't think this would improve it," Moore
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    Bill Moore is the only smart one in the bunch.

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    Might be a case of "watch this space" for increased number of motorcycle injuries and fatalities....
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    But the motorcycle morons...I mean advocates, will tell you that thee is NO evidence of increased injury when bikers are allowed to ride without a helmet or whatever other stupid tricks they want to perform.

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    Sometimes....many times I just don't understand politician's motives.

    Maybe they should have sought to improve the sensors....and replace them? No...that would have cost money, not lives.

    In this case....Moore was less.
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    Default Meanwhile....across the pond

    100 in a 70 zone is hardly due caution....especially for a liver de-livery!


    Case of ambulance driver charged with speeding is delayed

    (London-AP) -- An ambulance driver in England -- who's accused
    of speeding while taking a liver from one hospital to another for a
    transplant -- has entered a plea of innocent.
    Police and fire agencies and ambulances transporting patients
    are exempt from traffic rules -- but a liver doesn't count as a
    patient.
    The ambulance drivers' union says it's disappointed the court
    put off a trial date to October.
    The driver was cited for traveling more than 100 miles-an-hour
    in a 70 mile-an-hour zone when taking a liver from Leeds to
    Cambridge in January.


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    Default Aluminum......

    NJ......It had to be due to the fact that someone left the aluminum clipboard on the seat and he was scared it may get close to him ...(we all know the ambulance jockeys can not touch aluminum...evidenced by thier inability to lift the stretcher till the Engine gets there). He was speeding to the nearest fire station for help!!!

    Unbelievable!! Almost as unbelievable as the motorcycle law!
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    Natural selection at work?
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    I'd argue that transporting an organ for transplant is an emergency and warrants and rapid response, although 100mph seems just a tad too quick!
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    Gonzo ...........Darwin;s ??? OMG !!!!!! what will they think of next ??? I never had the urge to own a "statistic" ........and here is another good reason ........ put the trauma centers on alert !
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    I say we got another for a Darwin Award. This and the guy with gallons and gallons of gasoline in his basement get my vote.

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    Oh you have got to be kidding me... Wait a minute. What difference does it make. No one pays any attention to the lights out here anyway. Red, yellow, green... they all mean FLOOR IT. You are taking you life into your own hands every time you cross the three intersections between the highway and my parking lot.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    "It almost takes it out of our hands to write a ticket for motorcycles
    Watch them and make sure they come to a complete stop before proceeding. If they don't stop, then nail them to the wall.

    sensors that control the lights did not recognize motorcycles, which are now made mostly of aluminum and fiberglass,
    not metal.
    Is aluminum not a metal?

    Those legislators need to be shot. What a horrible idea.
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    We have several sensor lights that our engine will not cycle (I guess its to heavy) Which at three in morning leaves two choices 1. run the light 2. make a right turn on the cross road and uturn at the next intersection (sounds like driving in Jersey doesnt it)

    I hope they buy a couple more lifeflight copters in TN...they will need them for the increased motorcycle/car wreck we all dread.

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    I believe it's a weight problem; most bikes don't have enough weight to trip the pressure sensors, especially the newer bikes made of lightweight materials. This is typical of Tennessee's "band-aid" type of legislation.

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    Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI
    But the motorcycle morons...I mean advocates, will tell you that thee is NO evidence of increased injury when bikers are allowed to ride without a helmet or whatever other stupid tricks they want to perform.
    Not only that, but the first time one of them blows a red light at 70 mph and gets creamed by a car coming the other way with the green, they'll try to tell you it's the car driver's fault because *whine* *sniffle* nobody in cars ever watches for motorcycles *sniffle*

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    After looking into it a bit, it seems that the traffic signal sensors must detect the magnetic field generated by the steel and iron that most cars have in their frame/chassis. I was always under the impression that the weight of the vehicle tripped some kind of pressure sensor. As far as causing more accidents, I'm not sure; they apparantly are having to "run" the red signals now...or sit there all day, waiting for a green arrow that will never come, unless a car is in oncoming traffic and trips a mutual signal allowing both sides of traffic to advance and turn left.

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    Yep. They are basicly metal detectors. Those little loops you see in the road at the intersections are the sensors. That is why Motorcycles have problems in a lot of parking garages. The gates don't acknowlege their presence and they are screwed.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Turn right (after stop), left "U" turn, right turn, and you are on your way Been there done that

    Be safe

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    must be two types of sensor out there (metal/weight)

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