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    Default Rescue Engine, they just don't get it!

    In the Central NY area, Engines are called "Engines" and Heavy Rescues are called "Heavy Rescues". Very plain and simple, not rocket science as you can see.

    Now, spec a piece of apparatus with a custom engine body, including a pump, several handlines, a 500 gal tank, and lots of compartments for all of our auto extrication and heavy rescue equipment and what do you have????

    A "Rescue Engine" right, WRONG!

    Here's the story, being a PG County Buff, I've grew fond of Kentland's Rescue Engine 333. The concept makes sense to me. If you have a piece of apparatus that is both an Engine and a Rescue, it doesn't take an rocket scientist to come up with the name 'Rescue Engine'. However, I lost the fight and were going to call our new piece of apparatus 'Rescue Pumper', because "that's what it is!"

    We don't call our Engines "pumpers" now, why start calling them "pumpers" when we combine them with a piece of apparatus that will also act as our heavy rescue? I can't seem to sell the name "Rescue Engine" to a bunch of guys who don't want to try anything new and up to date. To me, 'Rescue Pumper' just sounds old and country townish. "Rescue Engine" sounds more up to date and less hickish.
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    Default playing Devil's advocate....

    Would that make a quint a "ladder pumper"?

    My FD just took delivery of an new piece of appartus, built on an E-One typhoon chassis...large compartments, 720 gallons of H2O, 30 gallon foam tank, 1500 GPM pump...the specs called it a "rescue engine" (the rig is first due to mva's on routes 495 and 290).

    It is called Engine 2.
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    Over here in the great Land Down Under, an engine is what provides the power for the pumper to move along the road!

    We have Pumpers, Tankers, Rescues, Telly-booms, Combinations, Salvage, etc
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    Originally posted by lutan1

    We have Pumpers, Tankers, Rescues, Telly-booms, Combinations, Salvage, etc
    telly-booms? isn't that what happens when your TV explodes?
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    Maybe they'd go for "Squad" like NYC or Baltimore.
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    Originally posted by DrParasite


    telly-booms? isn't that what happens when your TV explodes?
    We actually spell them Telebooms, but for some reason that I can't figure out everyone pronounces them Tallybooms. Essentially they are a telescoping ladder with a bucket on the end - and a non-traditionalist without much of an idea also included a pump in the package
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    If you say Squad to some it's an ambulance.


    Really I know what you mean, We use to have Pumper-Tankers. Now we have all engines, but some of the old guys still call them PT's.
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    And where I'm from, (with the exception of Baltimore City)a squad is a medium to heavy duty rescue truck.
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    different places call different things different names. some places in florida call ambulances Rescues, while others call squads utility vehicles. in NYC, Rescues are heavy rescue unit, and squads are engine companies with senior FFs that can do engine company or truck company duties. different names for ladders: ladders, arials, towers, hook and ladder, quint, etc. alt names for ambulances: rig, bus, rescue, etc.

    some have different meanings, but often it's just the location and personal preference.
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    Who Cares what each department calls their truck!!!!!! Let's discuss the important things in life i.e. Firefighter safety.......

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    what really ****es me off is the engines with transport capabilities. They must be the most insane thing ive ever seen, specially since the only one ive seen is alone at their station. picture this, you are dispatched to a car accident or a structure fire with injured patients at scene, but lucky you have to decide whether to stay and wait for other units to respond to handle fire or accident or if you should transport your patient, who is dying to hospital. I dont like them at all!!! dont to mention that the transport compartment in them is sideways, meaning that if your patient has a spinal injury, well there goes the idea of keeping spine in line if the truck hits brakes at all. but oh well, anyway on topic, in my area we have engines, rescues, and tower trucks, thats about it

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    in my area we have, tankers, pumpers, brush trucks, rescues, ambulances, and the occasional dept has a big f****** truck (which would be like a 100' arial).
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    I still call our squads the bus or the taxi.
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    Who Cares what each department calls their truck!!!!!! Let's discuss the important things in life i.e. Firefighter safety.......
    Get a grip buddy! Not every thread in these forums is going to be about Firefighter Safety nor should it be. If you don't want to disuss this topic, go elseware.
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    If we were to buy one of these trucks anyways... we would only call it one of the other. Not this mixed up crap.

    We currently have engines, tankers, rescues, mini-pumpers and knuckle trucks. This is how I refer to them and a bunch of the guys. Down in deep south western new york.

    I dont know how you people deal with all these weired up names, or numbering systems.

    But thats a whole nother thing! ... moving on...
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    We call them firetrucks.

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    Agree with you Bones.

    According to the Bosses they are Appliances down here. We reckon they have four wheels, are Red, and Big, They are Trucks.
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    We call them firetrucks.
    Can't argue with that!

    Who Cares what each department calls their truck!!!!!! Let's discuss the important things in life i.e. Firefighter safety.......
    Yeah, right....

    We actually spell them Telebooms, but for some reason that I can't figure out everyone pronounces them Tallybooms.
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    I don't know if you remember it, but sometime last year someone wrote in about getting a super-dupper fire truck with a ladder and a big cab or something, anyone remember that? Anyway, I don't now if what he wanted to call that, whether is was a squad, engine, pumper, etc.

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    Question Well.............

    I guess that the old phrase "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" (or something like that) applies here. In Maryland they are Engine-Tankers (Frederick County) Pumper-Tankers (Anne Arundel County) Engines (Prince Georges County) Tankers (Calvert County) But they are the same vehicle, just a different name depending on where you go. Makes no sense to me. Now, to start a real controversy, rfcmitch mentioned numbering systems. Now, there are some real winners out there, such as an engine numbered 16-54-6. What in the.....? Actually, this is something for another thread, I'll start one. (With safety in mind, of course). Stay Safe....
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    SIGNAL99 -

    If you want to move south to NJ, our rig is RESCUE-ENGINE and we'll gladly have you onboard

    Oh and Bones watch out for those truckies when you say you call all your equipment firetrucks because they might start trying to climb on them all!!!!! Just jealous (i mean kidding) truckies

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    Default Whats in a name?

    Fire engines= Pumper
    Fire truck= Ladder truck

    We have a Pierce Rescue-pumper. It is an engine with the squad package. It carries all the class A pumper equipment along with extrication equipment,a foam tank, a cascade system, ice rescue suit and alot of other things such as gas meters etc.. Around here, generally speaking, a squad is a heavy rescue unit. Except when you go about 50 miles south of the city, then squads are ambulances. Its red, makes alot of noise when the Q is wound up and it is air conditioned! (for all 6 days we need it around here )

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    Default Re: Whats in a name?

    Originally posted by MIKEYLIKESIT
    We have a Pierce Rescue-pumper. It is an engine with the squad package.
    Mikey brings up a point ... the Pierce rescue-engine package is called the HDRP in Pierce-lingo - "Heavy Duty Rescue Pumper".

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    Actually Pierce has a heavy duty rescue pumper, and a rescue pumper body, they are mostly different lengths, if you go to their website and look at rescue pumpers, the all wheel drive yellow engine is ours,we just call it an engine but in the cad it is listed with rescue tools.

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    Default K.I.S.S.???

    In my Dept. there are only "Motors" (engines, pumpers) and "Trucks" (ladders or towers). I guess they do that so as not to confuse us Truckies about which apparattus to ride on

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