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    Question preference of helmet gear

    Everyone out there, what do you prefer on your helmets goggles and flip downs or facesheilds? I am trying to decide what to get, on my last helmet i had goggles, flip down, and a facesheild, it all got in the way of eachother and i need each piece of equip.

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    Originally posted by expvol
    on my last helmet i had goggles, flip down, and a facesheild, it all got in the way of eachother and i need each piece of equip.
    how is that possible to have all three on the same helmet? i can understand with the bourkes and goggles, or the faceshield and the goggles but how did u manage to get bourkes and the faceshield on the same helmet??

    On my helmet i have the faceshield, i dont like it, i prefer the bourkes.but a lot of people at my firehouse like the faceshield better.

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    I dont know how it worked, my facesheild fit down and the bourke flip downs were about 3millimeters from the front sheild, the goggles were ESS Interzone II, they were detachable, i stored them in the rear of my helmet. I did this because sometimes I would need the facesheild, or the bourkes, or the goggles

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    I perfer Bourke's The facesheild just doesnt look right on leather helmets!
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    i like the faceshield. I believe it gives more protection then the bourkes.
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    Default Faceshields all the way

    I have never had goggles. But I have had filp downs
    And I didnt like them. Now we have the faceshields
    I think they are much better compared to the flip downs at least.
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    Facesheilds for me, provides more protection, and looks better.
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    I have a faceshield on mine, department issued helmet. A new standard set by NFPA recommends that all helmets be used with goggles, if I'm not mistaken.
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    All you that think bourkes/faceshields are the cats meow are going to be in world of hurt and blindness and up the no insurance coverage creek with out a paddle when something pile drives its way into you eye! If you use faceshield/bourkes you need supplemental eye protection to comply with NFPA-1971,2000 edit.

    Use a pair of safety glasses or goggles to comply with NFPA 1971 and retain your vision till the end of your carrer.

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    I have goggles on mine, I love them but they seal right above my eyebrows and when I sweat, it drips down into them. But they offer great protection.
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    on my dept issued metro 660, i had a face shield. on my dept issued N6A leather, i had a face shield. all of the new dept helmets are coming with goggles.

    the faceshield is not approved by NFPA if it is used by itself, only as a secondary means of protections. bourkes don't satisfy the NFPA requirement either.

    The faceshield is nice when it is being used. it flips down, and it isn't affect by eye glasses. when its not being used, it's a huge pain in the *****. mine always ended up falling down at the worst time. oh, and the face shield just looks sooooooooo wrong on a leather helmet.

    my new personal leather new yorker is going to have bourkes, as well as detachable ESS II goggles. if money isn't a problem for you, get the bourkes for the look, and the goggles for protection. of you can just get the bourkes, and carry a pair of safety glasses in your pocket.
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    Originally posted by dfdex1
    People I dont make this stuff up!
    you dont??



    Originally posted by dfdex1
    when something pile drives its way into you eye!
    ok maybe so but what says goggles arent going to stop it either??

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    The faceshields are a pain, and Bourkes don't cut it. I have ESS Extricators and Bourkes on my helmet. Not like you can see out of my Bourkes anyways !! They are very "Crusty". And DFD is correct, you are required to have a primary eye protection(safety glasses, goggles) when using bourkes OR a faceshield.
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    ok maybe so but what says goggles arent going to stop it either??
    If you're wearing them properly, nothing should get in between your goggles and your face to get you in the eye.
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    ok maybe so but what says goggles arent going to stop it either
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    Take my word for it,an explorer in another town got a metal splinter lodged in his tear gland a few years ago because he thought bourkes provided protection!

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    ok dex and wfd im just saying what if your in a building and there is an exlposion and your wearing your goggles and a piece of steel comes flying at your face i somewhat doubt that goggles will protect you. All im saying is even though they may be the best they cant protect against everything.

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    i have a faceshield its a pain in the butt to keep it up. when i get my leather im gonna have the Bourkes and goggles.

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    Thats crazy Eone, thats like saying "Gee my gear aint going to protect me from a flashover so why bother wearing it at all in a fire."

    Well outside of your Backdraft scenerio,yes they will protect you by slowing down and absorbing the energy of the object. Chances are its the small things that are going to get you rather than a 55 gallon drum just randomly explodeing at you.


    You been talking bout mikey alittle to long I think your getting down to his level.
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    Originally posted by dfdex1
    Thats crazy Eone, thats like saying "Gee my gear aint going to protect me from a flashover so why bother wearing it at all in a fire."

    Well outside of your Backdraft scenerio,yes they will protect you by slowing down and absorbing the energy of the object. Chances are its the small things that are going to get you rather than a 55 gallon drum just randomly explodeing at you.


    You been talking bout mikey alittle to long I think your getting down to his level.

    ok dex I never said a 55 gallon drum im saying something like a 6" by 6" peice of steel flying in your face, those goggles wont hold up.And The not wearing your gear is very irrevelant to what I said. dex have u seen backdraft?? ok so lets not use an explosion as an example how about your doing an interior search and the roof collapses on you, wood boards and beams go right into your face.or your on the nozzle you let go and it comes back and hits u in the face.or your walking on a fire scene and someone has a 6' pike pole and they turn around and hit you in the face.the goggles arent gonna stop any of that.


    ha ha ha your funny dex .I havent stooped that low yet. but i sense im close haha.

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    Eone,just be glad you not a police explorer here or I would ADZE you up good!
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    How about this suggestion? The object is safety here. Wear what ever your issued (or bought) correctly and when possible have redundancy. By that I mean a face shield and goggles or even bourkes and safety glasses, etc.

    I don't think that bourkes are really all that useful but if you have them use them, the little protection you get is better then nothing and you can always grab some of those Cairns bug eyes or some ANSI safety glasses for your pocket to wear under them.

    Personally I prefer tight fitting goggles. They keep smoke out at grass fires, glass dust (and hydraulic fluid out if a line breaks) at car wrecks, and ash and soot out during overhaul (Unless I need a mask of course:P)

    And please guys, nothing will stop a 55 gallon drum from knocking out an eyeball, not even your crusty old bourke's! :P
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    i agree with FiRsqDvr45. safety is the main thing here. Even if a 55 gal drum explodes and a 6 by 6 pice of metal flys in your face, what everyone will be looking at is if you had all your proper equipment on.
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    I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU DIDNT BASH POLICE EXPLORER POSTS, YOU MIGHT NEVE KNOW THE CONNECTIONS THAT SOMEONE READING THIS MIGHT HAVE.

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    Ummm ok thier chief that police explorer happens to be my best freind and we work great with our police explorers-----even though we got the cooler stuff,aint that right matt1984!.

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