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    Default Gonzo and Prez Pickard are flawed

    Pizan1...your logic is flawed.... tragically flawed... read this quote...
    Here is another one then, make sense out of this:
    Then I guess we should all be all over Actor Steve Buscemi who WAS a FDNY brother, because he made a movie were a lunatic Mexican goes around shooting up Mexico looking for Buchos. Right
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    Then we should be all over everybody right? The movie Turk 182, Frequency, Backdraft.

    They all have scenes in them that would make any kid want to be a firefighter and emulate a firefighter. Turk 182 the guy is jumping of buildings with just a rope. Frequency a Firefighter is fighting crime and shooting the bad guy. Backdraft, the Lieutenant is drinking alcohol in his bunk. So, tell me, where does it end. The only reason it is being discussed is because the guy said, "I'm a firefighter and I am from Wichita.

    I'll tell you another thing if that Capt. Pickard was in my Union and my president, OUSTED baby. He should have said the only reason it is being brougth out in the press is beacuse they are firefighters and we have no comment because this will make this situatiuon worse and refused comment. Because now it is a snowball that is only getting bigger.

    But hold on here is the kicker. They were off duty and on their own time, so no matter what we all think right or wrong they did it, they'll do it again, why because it is their RIGHT TO! I still say RIGHT ON, do it again. I may hire them to do my kids 5th B-day Party.

    To GeorgeWendtCFI It is time society stops blaming TV shows, Arcade Games, Music for the inadequate parents that are out there. You then make a foolish statement about psychological testing. What a joke those test are and you know it. Obviously then according to what you write we should get rid of the test because it failed in this case.

    Maybe the nay sayers need to go live in China where you have no rights and furthermore we have no right to tell anyone how to live thier lives. So, I am outta here, I do not need to listen to this FLAWED logic. These guys did nothing wrong and do not deserve any lip from this forum.
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    Default Re: Gonzo and Prez Pickard are flawed

    Originally posted by Pizan1

    Here is another one then, make sense out of this:

    From my post:
    Then we should be all over everybody right? The movie Turk 182, Frequency, Backdraft.

    They all have scenes in them that would make any kid want to be a firefighter and emulate a firefighter. Turk 182 the guy is jumping of buildings with just a rope. Frequency a Firefighter is fighting crime and shooting the bad guy. Backdraft, the Lieutenant is drinking alcohol in his bunk. So, tell me, where does it end. The only reason it is being discussed is because the guy said, "I'm a firefighter and I am from Wichita.

    I'll tell you another thing if that Capt. Pickard was in my Union and my president, OUSTED baby. He should have said the only reason it is being brougth out in the press is beacuse they are firefighters and we have no comment because this will make this situatiuon worse and refused comment. Because now it is a snowball that is only getting bigger.

    But hold on here is the kicker. They were off duty and on their own time, so no matter what we all think right or wrong they did it, they'll do it again, why because it is their RIGHT TO! I still say RIGHT ON, do it again. I may hire them to do my kids 5th B-day Party.

    To GeorgeWendtCFI It is time society stops blaming TV shows, Arcade Games, Music for the inadequate parents that are out there. You then make a foolish statement about psychological testing. What a joke those test are and you know it. Obviously then according to what you write we should get rid of the test because it failed in this case.

    Maybe the nay sayers need to go live in China where you have no rights and furthermore we have no right to tell anyone how to live thier lives. So, I am outta here, I do not need to listen to this FLAWED logic. These guys did nothing wrong and do not deserve any lip from this forum.
    Oh God, are we gonna have fun.

    Pizan, dude, you have to remember all your arguments and maintain some consistency. According to you, the stunt was aimed at adults. i haven't mentioned children at all. Why, then, does it matter about the parents. I also haven't blamed TV and the movies. I mentioned Jackass as an example, but I have maintained across these forums that people are responsible for their own actions. I am an equal opportunity blamer of idiots, whether they are FF or not.

    China? Are you kidding?

    The government tells people how to live theirlives every day. They are called laws. The absence of law is called anarchy.

    This is the second time you have threatened to be "outta here". Please?

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    They were off duty and on their own time, so no matter what we all think right or wrong they did it, they'll do it again, why because it is their RIGHT TO!
    Pizan1, are you a Union FF? Doesn't the IAFF have a bylaw about volunteering (on your own time)? Aren't there FD's that have rules against smoking (on your own time)? Do they really need to make a new rule about setting yourself on fire? Seems to me there are lot's of things out there telling you what you can and can't do on your own time, whether it's your right to or not.

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    Then I guess we need to close the circus down. Because they are aimed at children. Last time I checked the guy juggling, whatever the hell he juggles, that was lit on fire was really impressive to my son. So, to hell with Ringling Brothers Circus. I am writting my Congressman and asking him to close down the circus becuase the guy juggling things lit on fire is just pure bad judgement.

    Pizan, dude, you have to remember all your arguments and maintain some consistency. According to you, the stunt was aimed at adults. I haven't mentioned children at all. Why, then, does it matter about the parents? I also haven't blamed TV and the movies. I mentioned Jackass as an example, but I have maintained across these forums that people are responsible for their own actions. I am an equal opportunity blamer of idiots, whether they are FF or not.
    We all have a moral compass. We know what is right and what is wrong.
    What in the hell did they do wrong? NOTHING!

    And yes, they are still fellow firefighters and are no doubt still good firefighters, but they have demonstrated poor judgment in this case.
    So, no more going to the Circus because the clown juggling bowling pins lit on fire or the guy swallowing his sword is demonstrating poor judgment. I see.

    Does anybody know what if any training these guys have had? I think not. Because I know some clown will write back saying the people in the Circus are trained professionals. Doesn't make a difference. If the guy is juggling something on fire he to can set himself on fire. See the same thing! I know you get the point. So, stay away from the Circus. I guess the guy I know who is a career firefighter who works for Medieval Times on his days off should quit to. Because the whole jousting thing in front of kids and adults is also poor judgment. Will it ever end?!

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    Pizan, my fellow Illinoian:
    You left out the cute, little cheerleaders who twirl the flaming baton as their grand finale. Now, that's entertainment!
    Look; you're comparing apples to oranges.
    A clown juggling flaming torches, though dangerous and entertaining, is a skill that they have practiced and practiced, thus reducing the chances of catching themselves on fire. They ARE trained professionals.
    Jousting by those Medieval folks is also dangerous and entertaining, but again, one that is performed by those who have practiced their skill.
    If the gent who set his chest hair on fire had practiced it many times before, he would not have had any chest hair to set afire on the Leno show!
    So, clowns juggling flaming torches is normal for a circus. That's why it is called a "circus". However, a clown setting his chest hair on fire would not be normal. It would be WRONG.
    I knew a rodeo clown who was very good at getting the bull away from the rider. He was, by most standards, a bit crazy, but man, could he put on a show. He got nailed by the bull a few times. But that is normal behavior for a rodeo clown. Take the same rodeo clown and put him in the middle of an INTERSTATE highway, enticing the oncoming semi trucks and again, that would not be normal. That would be wrong.
    The way I figure it; the Wichita Three going to the Leno show is right; lighting chest hair on the Leno show was dumb, dumb dumb and oh yeah; WRONG! And it was poor judgment.
    Forget the fact that they are firefighters for just a sec and you still come to the same conclusion; setting your chest hair on fire for entertainment's sake is idiotic and sophomoric behavior that is best left to the college pranksters and not our nation's firefighters.
    And besides, NFPA 1403 says that you are not to set anything on fire, unless you know the burn characteristics. Sorry, but I thought that I should at least make my post a little educational.
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    Default Upon further review....

    All right; let's just cut to the chase!
    By a show of hands, how many of you would light your chest hair on fire for fame and fortune?
    Come on; get those hands up in the air. Ladies, too!
    Anyone?
    I thought so.
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    Quigger...You have got to be kidding... right?
    im only kidding about "Fire prevention was there the gel and the fire extinguishersthat were used along with saying "dont try this at home" sounds like some kind of Fire prevention to me."the part about the safety thing has been over looked though but it was there. It was dumb and stupid and every other word that has the same meaning as stupid.

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    Default Re: Upon further review....

    Originally posted by ChiefReason
    All right; let's just cut to the chase!
    By a show of hands, how many of you would light your chest hair on fire for fame and fortune?
    Come on; get those hands up in the air. Ladies, too!
    Anyone?
    I thought so.
    Chest hair .......... Ladies ??????? Hmmmmmmmm Maybe then I could run off and join the circus and juggle flaming bowling pins while thrusting out my hairy chest???
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    Actually to tell you the truth i watched it and for got about it the next day the only reason i remember it now is because you guys are talking about it, if people are making a big deal over this need to find somthing else to do, we all do stupid things in our lives, to entertain ourselves our friend, our brothers. Liek it or not it's a macho profession have to face the facts. I tmay not be right b ut we all deal with it diffrently, I go home and talk to my wife and she is there to help me with the streeses of the day or night. It may have been a stupid stunt but hey no one got hurt and it's not like someone lit him on fire without asking him, think everyone is making too much of a deal over it. I forgot about it time you did, matter of fact i hadn't heard about anything on this case till i logged on here one day wasn't even on our news, couldn't have been tha big of a deal.

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    I will not restate the very articulate points the Chief made. He read my mind.

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    People have an expectation that firefighters know what they are doing when it comes to fire, just the same as they have an expectation that DEA agents know what they are doing when it comes to firearms, and that doctors know what they are doing when it comes to pharmaceuticals. Cops are still cops even when they're off duty, and docs are still docs when they're on the golf course, but we still expect that either would act appropriately with regard to the particular skills of their vocation.

    If the firefighters had done a stunt unrelated to the fire service, I could have accepted that. But because it centered on fire, I agree with George, CR, et al that it was a huge mistake and did give the impression that folks at home could emulate these guys without consequences. Finally, I agree that the Leno crew should have nixed the stunt before it even aired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    People have an expectation that firefighters know what they are doing when it comes to fire, just the same as they have an expectation that DEA agents know what they are doing when it comes to firearms, and that doctors know what they are doing when it comes to pharmaceuticals. Cops are still cops even when they're off duty, and docs are still docs when they're on the golf course, but we still expect that either would act appropriately with regard to the particular skills of their vocation.

    If the firefighters had done a stunt unrelated to the fire service, I could have accepted that. But because it centered on fire, I agree with George, CR, et al that it was a huge mistake and did give the impression that folks at home could emulate these guys without consequences. Finally, I agree that the Leno crew should have nixed the stunt before it even aired.
    Despite the fact that you agree with me, you DO realize that you reopened a 4.5 year old thread, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Despite the fact that you agree with me, you DO realize that you reopened a 4.5 year old thread, right?
    Details details....

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    Well, I can't say I did a search, but I was confident that it had been discussed ad nauseam. Hope I didn't beat a decomposing horse.
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    Decomposing horse? There ain't anything left but bones and teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MEck51 View Post
    Decomposing horse? There ain't anything left but bones and teeth.
    Got a stick? LOL
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    If they were off duty, how did the show know they were firefighters? They had to have mentioned it at some point in their conversation.
    Additionally, the statement that children would not have seen it because they would be in bed id hilarious. Ummmm....youtube?

    I understand they are just having fun, however, this sets a really bad precedent for the kids. I reflect back to the show, "Jackass". How many kids have been hurt trying to recreate, or outdo the original prank.

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