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    Default CA. Total Recall

    Besides the other 133 candidates, who do you vote for???




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    How can you go wrong with a porn-star in the governor's mansion!?!

    I must say though, after just finishing a four-year stint with what could be our most corrupt gov ever, I'm awfully glad IL doesn't have this silly recall law. What has Davis really done? Is there REALLY that much mis-management in his administration? Or is it that the economy sucks, and now Davis has had to do a lot of unpopular things to pay the bills? Our new gov is doing a lot of unpopular things, too, but I wouldn't want to go through this recall nonsense.

    Someone from CA please fill us in. Cheffie?
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    My concern is that political pundits are going to use this to try and reverse elections- especially close ones. IE, a Republican wins a close one so the Democrats lead a recall effort, and vice versa, etc etc ad nauseum.

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    Why recall Davis?

    1. Created a monsterous deficit with the state's budget - a deficit of more than all other 49 states budget deficit problems combined.

    2. Bought energy at the highest prices ever recorded while refusing to allow any new power plants to be built during his tenure.

    3. Business's and residents are leaving the state because of the extreme taxes to keep up with non-essential social programs. (ex. social and medical benefits to ill-legal immigrants)


    I don't live in the "Golden State" but have always been intrigued by political happenings. These are some of the things that I have gathered through my readings.

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    While I have been reading and watching a lot about this recall, it started back in February, I believe. Also, there was no major push on a national level by the parties, as far as I have known or heard, and it wass all a word of mouth campaign. More than twice the number of required signatures were collected than were needed to push for this recall vote.

    Davis' approval ratings have been in the toilet ofr a LONG time and from what I understand he was reelected last year because there were no true contenders running against him.

    I agree that there will be a few pushes in the future to overturn an election's result, but his election was nto all that close. Also, if a politician does screw up a state and hurts the general well bing of its residents and ignores their constituents, why not recall them? Hold them accountable for their actions and punish them, four years is a long time to wait.

    The unfortunate thing in all of this is there is no time for a candidate to really get out their views and opinions and meet the voters. On the upside, it is A LOT less time for the lobbyists and cronies to get their grubby little hands in the pot and corrupt the system and the will of the people.

    As for the major Democrats running for the Presidency they all ridicule this action saying it is unamerican adn belittleing it, this is the will of the voters. This is holding politicians accountable for their actions. This is grass roots campaigning. This is American, at its very heart.
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    Default This country all ready has a recall...

    This country all ready has a recall process its called an election....You live with what you have until the next one!!!
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    Lt, I agree with you completely. WVFD pointed out that one of the reasons for recalling Davis is the sky-high deficit. How did it get there? Did Davis go on a big spending spree? Or is it partly due to a state legislature paying for everything (like " non-essential social programs. (ex. social and medical benefits to ill-legal immigrants)"?) Those social programs weren't Davis' creation, were they? I'm not trying to defend the guy, but I do want to defend the process that got him there.

    No decent contenders for the job? Where was Ahhnold last year? Did he not run because he might not win in a normal election? Or anyone else for that matter?

    California has a far more direct democracy than most other states; that is, the voters themselves vote for many issues. For example, these social programs the WVFD mentioned, were they direct Proposition votes? The trouble with this is a tendancy to have great swings in policy, governance, programs, etc., etc. A representative government, while maybe not as fast, works a lot smoother.
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    Have no fear Clinton is going to help Davis
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    Have no fear Clinton is going to help Davis
    Help him lose?

    This country all ready has a recall process its called an election....You live with what you have until the next one!!!
    Ah, but there are some 13 states I believe that have recall provisions in the state constitution. California's process has been revised and adapted numerous times since it became a state making this a viable option for voters to use. As for waiting, I don't necessarily think so, four years is a long way off and memories are short, unfortunately, so why not allow a voter to call the elected representative on the carpet for their actions and failures? Remember, these guys work for us, the citizen, we are their boss (idealistic? I think not.) If you are a boss, do you wait for a subordinate's review in order to hold them accountable for the actions they made two weeks ago?

    Now if only I could get a recall against Ted Kennedy? Hmmmmmm.
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    Plain andsimple folks, Davis was elected by the most powerful union here in Ca. The correctional officers union. He also concentrated his campain efforts in the two cities with the most votes. L.A. and San Fran. A map of the areas won showed those two cities and surrounding areas as the only two he dominated. The rest of the state voted the other way. Kinda makes a good case for splitting Ca.in two, a northern and a southern.
    He entered his governorship with a 12 Billion dollar surplus and squandered it down to at last count a 42 Billion dollar deficit. He has sided with special entrest groups and with a majority vote in the house, over-spent to mammoth proportions. His admin bought all of the biomass co-generation plants that were built in California in the 90's and shut them down so we would have to rely on purchased out of state electricity. Thus resulting in PG&E (Pacific Gas & Electric) filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and laying off 1/3 of the lower level workforce. Then came the blackouts. He has opened the gate to allow un-documented workers to flood into the state raising taxes once again to supplement for the state mandated requirements for farm labor vehicle safety and countless other "programs" all paid for by the taxpayers. This just scratches the surface of this man and his minions antics. I hope you can see why Californians are tired of it. I'll take the "Governator" any day over the bumbling, excuse throwing, finger pointing, blame shifting malcontent that the masses somehow lofted up into this position. He is actually trying to get his name put on the ballot. I will climb off of my soapbox now. G.

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    Snowball,

    Just wondering if what my daughter told me was true about the prison guards. My daughter lives in CA. and stated he gave them a 40% raise along with an age 50 retirement at 90% of their highest chosen years salary.

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    FireLt1951, your daughter is correct. Only after Davis was re-elected he renig'd on the deal and didn't give the raises. Not only that but when it was too late to fix the deficit, the state had no choice but to start laying off the very people who helped get him elected. Needless to say the correctional officers are not pleased either. My cousin is a CO and his head is on the chopping block.
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    All I can say is old Dubya is probably glad there's no Federal Gov't recall process. Do you think he'd still be there if they had held a second election or even a Gore-Bush runoff? (you have to remember the world pre-911)
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