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    We are planning a new rural response truck. The Chief wants a booster line on a reel topside (the truck we are looking at has it in the back). The top mount will make the truck too tall for our station. I lean towards a booster hose on (in) the front bumper.
    The truck has a side pump panel.

    What is your preference & why?

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    If you have room on the front bumper for a booster reel, I would
    run a trash line instead, you could have a tray across the bumper
    and save room.

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    Our Engines no longer have booster reels, we went with trash lines in the front bumper, takes up less space, just as easy to use and re-pack.

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    We no longer use boosters either. Trash line is the way to go.

    If you don't like the well in the front bumper, you can always strap it on the side running board preconnected to a discharge like we have on one of our pumpers. It's alot cheaper than a reel and more functionable.

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    We have both.Our booster is top center mount but our next one may be rear mount under the Quik dump.As far as being able to repack a trash line as fast as a booster,you guys must have quite a system to be able to do that.Electrically powered reels put 200' on in under a minute.Never had a trash line do that.Each has a purpose,properly spec'ed a booster can be used on many "nuisance" fires.Key to any line is knowing it's limitations.We bought one truck with no booster,never again.T.C.

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    We also have both, with the trash line in a tray in the front bumper and the booster reel in a compartment under the hosebed, opening onto the tailboard. Most of the engines I see in our area that have booster reels have them mounted this way, as they occupy space that isn't good for much else, and are more accessible than if they were on top.

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    Depending on your chassis - I have seen booster reels mounted behind the cab step under the rear doors of crew cab apparatus.
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    Thanks everyone for your responses.

    N2Dfire, can you refer me to a picture or name a builder?

    TCFD12, (and the rest of you), how much line do you carry in the bumper? We will be responding to lots of tree fires, in some very rough terrain.

    The Chief is rather strong willed and has very definite ideas, but I hope to bring him around to "looking outside the box".
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    Originally posted by Sleuth
    Thanks everyone for your responses.
    TCFD12, (and the rest of you), how much line do you carry in the bumper? We will be responding to lots of tree fires, in some very rough terrain.
    Our front bumper carries the following:

    100' of 1" trash line - 100' connected, (50' more rolled in compartment)
    http://www.tcfd.com/photos/image.php?source=846

    300' of 1 3/4" line - 150' connected, 150' rolled
    http://www.tcfd.com/photos/image.php?source=847

    25' of 5" front section or LDH make-up
    http://www.tcfd.com/photos/image.php?source=848

    Here is an overall shot of the front bumper:
    http://www.tcfd.com/photos/image.php?source=890
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    Originally posted by Sleuth
    TCFD12, (and the rest of you), how much line do you carry in the bumper? We will be responding to lots of tree fires, in some very rough terrain.
    In the bumper extension (it's either 16" or 18", but I'd have to measure now to be sure) on our engine (which is custom, with a tilt cab), we actually have two trays:

    The trash line tray contains 150' of 1.75" line with a Navy nozzle, 100' pre-connected and the other 50' rolled.

    The LDH quick-connect tray contains 50' of 5" preconnected to the front 5" intake/discharge, a steamer connection adapter and a 2.5" ball valve. Also mounted on the extension is a hydrant wrench/spanner set.

    Obviously, there would be lots more room for 1.75" line(s) if we didn't need the LDH setup. You can put alot on a bumper extension, if you put your mind to it.

    Good luck with the Chief.

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    Originally posted by Sleuth
    N2Dfire, can you refer me to a picture or name a builder?
    Not off the top of my head. I'm a truck junkie by nature and look at lots of trucks every chance I get. Give me a day or two to do some searching and I'll see what I can get you.
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    Ask and ye shall be answered.

    All of the pictures I found were of Rosenbauer Rigs - Produced in the U.S. under General Safety Equipment or Central States Fire Apparatus name.
    http://www.generalsafetyequip.com or http://www.centralfire.com (best I can tell it leads to the same web site)


    Courtesy of http://www.tupelofire.com


    courtesy of http://www.generalfire.com


    Way too many pictures on this page to repost them here. http://www.ftillinois.com/new_page_3.htm

    Best I can tell from the Central Web Page - your closest dealer will be:
    Artesia Fire Equipment, Inc.
    1014 South First Street
    PO Box 1367
    Artesia, NM 88211-1367

    Phone: (800) 748-2076
    Phone: (505) 746-2426
    Fax: (505) 748-1128
    Web site: www.artesiafire.com
    E-mail: ron@artesiafire.com
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    Thanks. I had some "face time" with the chief at his day job - he has come to realize we have "gold" tastes and a "wood" budget. But your views on a bumper mounted trash line helped to move him off TDC (top dead center). We may look at a smaller truck, this time with CAFS (we have this on one truck & love it!), less H2O, and a trash line up front.
    Thanks for helping me to "turn the tide" on this one.

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    Just wondering if the 5000 bucks needed to place the reel on the bumper is a good buy. You can buy stuff that really fights fire and saves lives for that. A reducer and 200 feet of 1 inch hose and a nozzle will cost 800. A reducer, and old nozzle and four lengths of hose and two seat belts to hold it on the running board will cost what 50?

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    5K is a little steep for 200/1".It can be done for quite a bit less than that.Also makes a difference how you mount it and on what vehicle.T.C.

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    Update: We had a meeting last night, and the Chief came around to a smaller truck with less water, but with CAFS. Now I will try to win him over to a trash line instead of a reel.

    One step at a time - but at least he will listen to other opinons!

    Thanks to all for your help.

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    CAFS???? please forgive my ignorance (long night with trailer
    fire that would not go out)

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    No Problemo:
    Compressed Air Foam System. Take plain H2O, mixed with a bit of "soap" (foam solution), and an equal amount of Compressed air. Run it though a hose, and you get foam. Less air is "wetter water", penitrates hay bales or forest fires quick. More air makes "dry" foam, sticks to exposures, lets you get on with fighting the fire. Makes water go 3X as far.

    Try it, you'll like it!

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    (queue the Horshack voice...)
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    With CAFS...checkout Niedner's Reeltex http://www.niedner.com/En/PDF/reeltex.pdf

    I know it's back to the booster reel...but the stuff is real lightweight (lighter than rubber booster is), and it keeps it's shape when empty.

    You can pull, say 50', start hitting the fire, and pull more hose off as needed. With CAFS, the line will stay nice & light.

    It's what we use on my truck.

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    You know, there are times I really wish we had reels. Like when you pull up to a bark mulch fire that's too big for a PW and you really don't feel like repacking 100' of trashline.

    That said, I'm sure the whole reel and plumbing setup is not cheap (certianly not as cheap as a bin with 100' of hose you already own) and if you're on a tight budget you may be better off w/o a reel.

    We do have two trucks that have reels with regular 1.75" hose on them, you pull off the amount you want and hook it to a discharge, nice a simple for repacking after your done, but slower than a preconnet.
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    Originally posted by Dalmatian90
    (queue the Horshack voice...)
    Oh oh oh...Mr Sleuth, Mr Sleuth!!!

    With CAFS...checkout Niedner's Reeltex http://www.niedner.com/En/PDF/reeltex.pdf

    I know it's back to the booster reel...but the stuff is real lightweight (lighter than rubber booster is), and it keeps it's shape when empty.

    You can pull, say 50', start hitting the fire, and pull more hose off as needed. With CAFS, the line will stay nice & light.

    It's what we use on my truck.
    Our CAFS squad (most people would probably call it a "brush", but anyway...) has lightweight "booster", which I believe is this Reeltex stuff. We have 200' on the reel, and also two preconnected forestry lines (1" single-jacket) attached to the CAFS system. That's been a really a nice setup for us, for brush, vehicles and foaming during structural overhaul.

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    On our new engine we have a front 1-3/4" trashline in the front bumper in addition to the 200' reel in the rear .

    IMO the trashline is the way to go it has come in handy for us a few times since we have had this engine

    150ft of 1-3/4" trashline in the front bumper



    200' booster reel in the rear under ladder storage and hosebed

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    From the picture, it looks like the reel is deep in the compartment. Is that a trick of photography, or do you have to crawl in there to get the nozzel?

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    Theres just a full width step above the compartment . I know it looks burried but its only behind the doors by about 1 1-/2"

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