The City of Bayonne is 5.2 square miles, but the 65,000 residents live in an area of 3 square miles. The other 2.2 is heavy industry. That leaves us with a population density of over 20,000 per square mile.
We have seven fire stations housing 7 engine companies, 3 ladder companies and 2 Battalions.
I personally think that while area has to be a factor, the amount of people in that area is the overiding factor. Also the housing stock greatly affects how many stations and companies. What I mean is how old are the houses? How close are they? Construction type?, etc
There are cities in NJ that have more in population than Bayonne, yet have the same amount of companies. I think the main reason is because the population is spread out over a larger area.
Take for example Staten Island in NYC. The FDNY protects almost 500,000 people in area of about 60 square miles with 17 engine companies, 12 ladder companies and a rescue company. The next largest borough is Brooklyn with only about 21 more square miles (81 Sq. miles) yet the population is over 2.5 million and fire protection is 65 engine companies, 39 ladder companies, 2 squad companies and a rescue company.
Hope this was helpful.
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09-25-2003, 12:33 AM #21
Kevin M. Fitzhenry
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- Watchung, NJ USA
Captain, Rescue Company 1
City of Bayonne (NJ) Fire Department
09-25-2003, 10:15 AM #22
You're correct in your statement about type of structures and closeness. Here we have more than our share of 2 story balloon frame dwellings which are about 5 feet apart. We also a lot of 4 flats that were constructed in the balloon frame fashion also 4-5 feet apart. A lot of very narrow streets with no driveways. Old industrial plants and new ones also. Getting many more high rise apartments and senior citizens buildings, multi-story lofts. In my opinion and the study I did, density was a huge factor. It seemed to show that the more densely populated older urban areas seemed to have more fires. I honestly felt that the economics of the areas also turned out to be a factor. The majority of my research studied older urban cities as it was meant to be presented as comparables for number of companies and staffing purposes.
09-26-2003, 01:03 AM #23
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- Great Plains
I thought this was a really cool post. As for the fire department in question I have a hard time finding a reason for a fire station to hold ONLY a ladder truck or ONLY a rescue truck since these vehicles are normally dispatched with an engine.
As for my community . . . please wait while I do the math. . .
Population: 130,000 (many more during working hours)
Area: 54 square miles
Stations: 8 (one has two engines with different first run areas so let's say 9 stations.
Engines: 9 WITH 4 FIREFIGHTERS PER ENGINE, unheard of, huh? (3 quints as first in engines and only one truck)
That is about 15,000 people per station.
09-26-2003, 06:28 PM #24
Our city is 1 mile wide and 7 miles long. We have 2 stations, but they are separated by 4 sets of railroad tracks. Currently we are trying to get a 1/4 % income tax passed to replace the station on the west end of town, but the mayor isn't helping things. He is trying to tell the citizens that we only need 1 station right in the middle of the city. This is all fine and good if we were full time instead of POC and we had an overpass that went over all sets of tracks (which he just said last night that the chances of that happening are nil.) The way our city is layed out, the center of the city has no residents, as it is mostly industrial/agricultural along with the railroad tracks.
why open a station if there are no members to staff it.
09-26-2003, 09:27 PM #25
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- Knoxville, Tennessee
30,000 residents: 4 stations
My dept. covers an area of 35 sq mi and about 30,000 people. We operate out of 4 stations (7 engine co's, 4 tanker co's, 1 mini-pumper). Six sta. or 10 mi is a little much.!
09-27-2003, 05:19 AM #26
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Los Angeles County: 4,084 square miles with a population of 10 million.
There are 379 fire stations (158 from LA County Fire, 103 from LA City Fire, and the remaining 118 are from other agencies within LA County).
This doesn't include the USFS which has multiple stations within the Angeles National Forest.
09-27-2003, 10:41 AM #27
I'm glad you brought up the subject of L.A. I have this in my study but I only used the city department and didn't include the county. This would have made a few things different. Two would have been the sq. miles coverage for apparatus and the number of FF's per population. I had one supplement about large unpopulated areas within a city's limits. Phoniex was one of these. They still have a large amount of space thats unpopulated, even today. I had written a supplement on some States that provide county departments to supplement city departments. Most of the county departments wouldn't respond to my requests for staffing levels and number of apparatus. I tried to download the spread sheet onto this site showing not only the above mentioned information but It also included much more (Excel in landscape doesn't copy well to this site). The following categories were on the spread sheet for the 48 cities that responded.
1. Attachments 1-3(Differences in systems with supplemental County Depts, Density covered by apparatus, Types of cities and Fire Load Contained Therein).
5. sq. miles
6. Daily ride on E/T/S
7. # of Firefighters
8. # of Engines
9. # of Trucks
10. # Rescue squads (regardless of definition)
11. # of Heavy Rescue (specialty units)
12. Sq. miles covered per Engine
13. Sq. miles covered per Truck
14. Total # of people covered by each Firefighter (low was Boston at 359 pop-1 FF to a high of 1610 pop-1 FF for Fresno Ca.)
15. Large areas of Sq. miles unpopulated.
My city ranked 37th out of 48 but would have ranked much lower if I could have had the county numbers included from CA. 7 out of the 11 below Detroit were in California with County systems that responded within their respective cities. City populations ranged from 7,322,564 in New York N.Y. to 228,537 in Jersey City, N.J. Only 48 of the original top 63 most populated U.S. cities responded.
California and Florida seemed to be the 2 states that had the largest amount of County Fire Departments that responded within their city limits.
Last edited by FireLt1951; 09-27-2003 at 10:55 AM.
10-02-2003, 03:04 AM #28
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# of Stations
My Fire District in Southwest Missouri covers an area of approximately 180 square miles. We have 6 stations operating:
1 55' Telesquirt
1 Medium Duty Rescue
1 Heavy Rescue/Hazmat Truck
2 Bruck Trucks
1 Wildland Strike Team Truck
2 Personnel Transport Vehicles
1 Air/Rehab Van
1 Hazmat Trailer
1 Fire Prevention/Education Smokehouse
19 Total Apparatus
8 Full Time Staff
5 Station Residents
55 Paid-On-Call Staff
68 Total Personnel
Class 6 ISO (I believe)LREngine135
All things I say...while not always making sense are ALWAYS my opinion and only mine. They do not reflect the opinions of any department of which I am a member.
10-02-2003, 11:49 AM #29
# of Stations
Not to get too far off the main topic here, Cheektowaga, NY has something like 11 Fire Departments. I believe that these Departments are all independents. Maybe Shawn can elaborate more on this also."The uniform is supposed to say something about you. You get it for nothing, but it comes with a history, so do the right thing when you're in it."
Battalion Chief Ed Schoales
from 'Report from Ground Zero' pg 149
10-02-2003, 02:35 PM #30
The web site:
shows that there are 11 fire companies in the town of Cheektowaga, now whether they are independent I dont know.Shawn M. Cecula
IACOJ Division of Fire and EMS
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