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    Default Spontaineous Human Combustion...



    Its friday, time for an off the wall topic.

    Spontaineous Human Combustion...

    Fact or fantasy?
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    Complete and total fantasy. It is physiologically impossible. Reported cases have been the result of incomplete and/or incompetent investigations.

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    I saw it in the Enquirer......... It's possible!!

    (Plus CSI did it too)

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    It's possible, but very highly unlikely, according to my chemistry teacher

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    Discover channel did a show on it a few years back. I remeber one of the cases in which someone "spontaineously combusted" they were standing next to a birthday cake with burning candles. Hmmmmmmm...

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    Originally posted by rblack06
    It's possible, but very highly unlikely, according to my chemistry teacher
    Have your chemistry teacher explain to you how it is "possible" and post it here.

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    The last rational explanation I heard was that there is always an external source of ignition and that body fat burns like candle wax in a clothing or upholstery "wick".

    Is this still an accepted view, or are the facts of the "newsworthy" cases pretty well skewed by the time they get to the TV?
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    Look at this logically. When you have a pig roast, the pig does not burst into flames. It roasts over an external heat source. The fats and other liquids are burning and are eventually consumed. At that point, charring would occur.

    Yes, it is a very rudimentary, but accurate, explanation.

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    Yes--

    Beans or Firehouse Chili--

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    Other types of biomass have been proven to spontaineously combust, I was just at a grain bin fire yesterday. It was filled with 3 semi loads of corn gluten, a livestock feed pellet material.

    If it has to much water content (someting like 20%) it will spontainiously combust do to a chemical proccess (fermentation?).

    Can animals and humans suffer a similar fate?

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    Mmmm I dunno. A couple of weeks ago we had a lady call here to the Rescue Centre with a story that she had some kind of "bio-gas flowing from her neck and head." She had experienced this a few times already and apparently called to EHS at least once.

    Could this have been an example of pre-ignition? If any one wants to hear the tape, email or PM me and I'll send you a link and you can judge for yourself. By the way, this is a true story, and it is a full recording of the conversation between the Controller on duty and the Caller. This is just one of several examples of some of the non-SAR calls we get.
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    Originally posted by MalahatTwo7
    Mmmm I dunno. A couple of weeks ago we had a lady call here to the Rescue Centre with a story that she had some kind of "bio-gas flowing from her neck and head." She had experienced this a few times already and apparently called to EHS at least once.

    Could this have been an example of pre-ignition? If any one wants to hear the tape, email or PM me and I'll send you a link and you can judge for yourself. By the way, this is a true story, and it is a full recording of the conversation between the Controller on duty and the Caller. This is just one of several examples of some of the non-SAR calls we get.
    I have no doubt that it is a true story. Did anyone give any consideration to the possibility of her being nuts?

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    Red face Well it happens all the time here in the UK!!!!!

    Guess..someone gets a job trying ta figure it out..

    So.....all the time we guess.....ain't so bad....


    Ta me?????????...load of Bollocks!!!!!

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    I was a fire investigator for several years with London Fire Brigade. We had a case once where an old lady just disappeared throught the chair and floorboards - her upper body and ankles were all that was left. She lived on her own and was a non-smoker. There was minimal damage other then the 'seat of origin' (sorry)! There was no obvious cause of ignition. I wanted to put this down to SHC but the Chief made me change it to death by careless disposal of somoking materials!

    London's investigators are highly trained full-time investigators who attend 5-6 working fires every day. As far as I could see SHC was the only possibility within the realms of my knowledge.

    Another fire (of interest) once involved a house that was suffering from 'poltergeists' activity! There were reports by the family (normal everday people) about strange things happening. This time - another fire - isolated from any cause. We even looked at the potential for the sun to reflect and magnify its rays - but no way. Very small point of origin, minimal damage - no obvious cause at all?

    Who knows!!

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    Default Batt 8?

    Mmmm??? Mr Grim or Batt18.............tell me more????
    Heard this one else where???

    Where in the LFB was we exactly?

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    Of course it is possible, haven't any of you seen that X-Files where the guy can make himself start on fire and not get hurt?

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    was that x-files or jack@$$????

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    Correct me if I am wrong (which I know you will) but spontaneous combustion is caused by "...the natural decomposition of living, or once living, material giving off a by-product of heat."

    It sounds possible because humans are "living material" but I think it's a bunch of crap. It's an "X-files" episode for sure.

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    Complete and total fantasy.
    While I agree, I remember one incident that REALLY got me wondering.

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    Originally posted by E229Lt


    While I agree, I remember one incident that REALLY got me wondering.
    Twice in one day?

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