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    Question Fogging Face-piece

    Anybody got any solutions for fogging up face pieces? Would "rain-x" anit-fog or a similar product be useful? I just seem lately to be having this occur frequently. Warm truck bay to cool outdoors with high humidty may be a contributing factor also.

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    A very small amount of baby shampoo has worked for me in the past. I stress, very small amount. Too much and you won't see a thing.
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    Does your mask have a "nose cone" inside? I used some Survieair with them and they seem to clear up as soon as you go on air. Never had that fog problem with my own Scott-O-Vista. Not sure if it is cause there is no nose cone or something else.

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    Hold your breath...No kidding. I find that slow beathing keeps mine to a minimum, and like STM said as soon as I go on air it clears right up. Also you may ant to contact the manufacture...we were instructed NOT EVER to use and anti-fog agent on our masks(Cairns).
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    Rain-ex is a solvent based product and will ruin the carbon-plastic facepiece lens, creating a permanent fog.

    The nose-cone reduces the problem, also opening the purge valve a crack will clear up the lens until the temperature levels out. I wouldn't suggest any application of an anti-fog agent in the mask.

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    There is a product that can be purchased at your local dive shop called "Frog Snot" Its safe for dive masks so I imagine it would be safe for the facepiece.
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    If you are going to go they way of using diveer stuff to keep your maks defoged just spit in it. It does the same job on a dive mask and saves you some extra cash for the important stuff. (the after dive beer)
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    I can count on my one hand the number of times that spiting in my dive mask has actually worked and that is with over 15 years of diving and instructing. Spend the coin save your spit for something else.
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    There is a product that can be purchased at your local dive shop called "Frog Snot" Its safe for dive masks so I imagine it would be safe for the facepiece
    I believe that dive mask lenses are primarily glass. I would not advise useing it on an SCBA mask. Scott specifically forbids the use of ANY type of anti-fog coating. Scott masks are coated at the factory.

    Think about this; the fog will go away when you go on air, you can speed this up by useing your purge. Anything not tested and approved as safe to use on your mask should be considered unsafe. The mask, pack and bunker gear are what allow us to go into places we were not meant to be in, and keep us alive while there. Please don't take chances and compromise that safety margin.
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    Um, no dive masks are not primarily glass.
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    Heres the solution for your question.

    W.S Darley sells "anti-fogging" solutions made specifically for all types of SCBA facepeices.These can be obtained via towellettes or spray containers(like windex bottles) or by the gallon containers.We have all 3 types and i must say that they do work very well...even in cold temperatures.
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    Question While on the subject, cleaners???

    I'm going to Scott site next and see what thay recommend, or don't recommend... but lense cleaner like for regular glasses, some have antifog in them, anyoned tried them?

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    Originally posted by Duffman
    A very small amount of baby shampoo has worked for me in the past. I stress, very small amount. Too much and you won't see a thing.
    This should work for all manufactures, one of the big manufactures even sells it in a small tube. I'm pretty suprised that their own tech is saying not to use it.

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    There is always the old school rule: inhale through your mouth, and exhale through your nose. But, that always seems to turn to crud when your arms and legs have turned to jelly, and your still in the thick of it, huffing and puffing.

    My scott mask has the nose cup, and I never have a problem with fogging. I also wait until right at the door to put it on. If I were to put it on sooner I'm sure it would fog up too.
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    Try some liquid soap. Just rub the soap directly on it (don't mix it with water), let it sit for a minute, then wipe it off with a clean DRY towel. Try it on your bathroom mirror, then run the shower hot and you will see........... Some also say foam shaving cream will do the same thing......

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    Default not much help

    only two things have helped me out with the fog:
    hooking up to air and taking the damn thing off.

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    WOW ! I am just saying nose cup...........never had a problem after those got installed.
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    Originally posted by MOTOWN88
    Um, no dive masks are not primarily glass.
    Unless you've bought something from the local 5 and dime...the SCUBA mask should have a tempered glass lens. The peripherals may be silicone...straps, frame...but the lens is tempered glass.
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    Originally posted by CharlieRFDPres
    I'm going to Scott site next and see what thay recommend, or don't recommend... but lense cleaner like for regular glasses, some have antifog in them, anyoned tried them?
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    Ensure the ori-nasal cup (the "nose cup") is correctly positioned in relation to you nose and mouth and interior mask fogging should not be a problem.

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    Smile Not use anything...

    I prefer the good old way of opening your regulator valve a bit.... works great!!!

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    I don't usually have a problem fogging up either, the nose cone is great. Plus the purge valve usually gets rid of any minor fogging. It also helps if you don't put your mask on until you get to the door like 33motor suggested, I do the same and it works fine.

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    This should work for all manufactures, one of the big manufactures even sells it in a small tube. I'm pretty suprised that their own tech is saying not to use it.
    I am not saying not to use anything. I am only repeating what I was told by Scott. Some of my guys called me and asked what we could do about fogging, and if we could use rain-x specifically. I called Scott Technical Services, asked them and told my guys and repeated here what THEY said.
    So, don't be surprised, I'm only repeating what I was told by the manufacturer.
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    I have been using the "Rain-X for plastic" solution for about two years now on my MSA face piece. Since then, the only fog I experience is on the outside of my face piece, usually about the time the hose crew opens the nozzle. The rain-x, combined with staying low and occasionally running a glove across the lens fixes that. Another fog problem that plagues us is the lens of the TIC. I put some rain-x on there too and it has helped.
    As far as a safety issue, consider this: If your mask is fogged on the inside, you can't see anyway, and you can't wipe it off. May as well try a product out on it, in a small area that is not directly in front of your eyes. If it doesn't damage the lens, coat the whole thing.
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    I have used the same thing as above, any liquid soap, then buffed clear. Worked beautifully during the state HazMat challenge on the inside and outside of the SCBA mask and the inside of the Level A!
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