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    And GEORGE .... or GOERGE(what the hell ever)... why dont you go fly a kite or something and stop aggravating the hell out of me once and for all!
    And give up all this fun? Not on your life!


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    Now now George, didn't you mom ever tell you not to play with your food?

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    Donna,

    I am sure this will only enflame you even more but I have to ask anyways...How do you propose this community fund a new service, namely your private company, without raising taxes? Either something is going to get cut or you are going to be a subscription department or taxes are going to go up. It's really that simple.

    Also, after trying valiantly to see your point for the severasl days this post has run it is now abundantly clear to me what you seek. You want the power to run your company as YOU see fit with no outside interference or really even any oversite, yet you expect funding from the community and the feds like a municipally run fire department. Sorry, I now adamantly disagree with your concept totally. At first I saw you as a crusader to protect your community, now I tend to agree with the fiefdom comment.

    By the way I'll bet you didn't know that OSHA is the oversite and regulations setting agency for private fire companies. Have you contacted them to see what standards must be met? My guess is you have not.

    This commentary speaks volumes about your character: "I also must add this particular community is a " middle class to upper class" community...in which,i feel VERY comfortable being in.
    The community im leaving is a very "low class society" in which i do not feel comfortable in anymore." You are a vindictive snob, first you say that you started this because you cared about the community, now because you didn't get what you wanted they are low class. Things that make you go hmmmmmmm.......

    As for your current community I wouldn't have funded you either if you think a one person response is efficient. H3ll a one person response is a direct violation of OSHA's 2 in 2 out rule. Did you know that?

    Hopefully this community you are going to has enough common sense to build oversites and control elements into the contract, as well as tight reins on the funding.

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    You are a vindictive snob, first you say that you started this because you cared about the community, now because you didn't get what you wanted they are low class.
    DOWN GOES FRAZIER! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!

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    George...

    Was I too harsh!

    I think not!!!!!

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    Donna, my company is also non-profit, and not funded by State or County, so don't think you are so different that people don't understand your setup. The setup is not that different, the person trying to describe it is.

    Can you please answer my questions?

    Here they are again....

    How do they plan to fund you? Will it be by donation from only those homeowners that want to donate? Or will they be forcing each homeowner to contribute and if so, how is that different than a raise in taxes?

    If only contributions from those that want to, are you sure there will be enough contributors (words go a long way til it's time to actually dig in their pockets) to fund your company?

    This is the answer you provided, but it does not seem to answer any of the questions posed.
    And BONES...its like this...THEY dont want it...and neither do I(districting even)...becuase if they did....they wouldve did it a longgggg time ago.
    Again, can you answer these?
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    George, I sent you a PM on this issue.

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    The silence is deafening!

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    Originally posted by Bones42
    Donna, my company is also non-profit, and not funded by State or County, so don't think you are so different that people don't understand your setup. The setup is not that different, the person trying to describe it is.

    Can you please answer my questions?

    Here they are again....

    How do they plan to fund you? Will it be by donation from only those homeowners that want to donate? Or will they be forcing each homeowner to contribute and if so, how is that different than a raise in taxes?

    If only contributions from those that want to, are you sure there will be enough contributors (words go a long way til it's time to actually dig in their pockets) to fund your company?

    This is the answer you provided, but it does not seem to answer any of the questions posed.


    Again, can you answer these?

    It will be mainly by donations from those who want to donate.The rest will be on a "subscription basis" for those that want it but are too far out of our coverage area.
    I have some freinds of mine from Phoenix that is down there setting up the subscriptions amongst other things as we speak.One of them have a history of setting up non-profit as well as other types of FD's throughout the country.A couple of others are very good in "public speaking" so they will be doing all the "talking" to the citizens.And the other person is good with fundraising so she basically speaks for herself on why shes involved.
    This way at least MOST of the bases are covered by the time we make our move.So nothing at all is being forced from the citizens.We didnt even do that here in our present location....but your right tho...the people here are fine and dandy with a Dept being here...but when it starts to come into thier pockets...then its a whole different atmosphere.At least in the location were moving to the people there aint such @$$holes and thier willing to do what they said theyd do BUT...a contract will still be at hand.

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    At least in the location were moving to the people there aint such @$$holes and thier willing to do what they said theyd do
    At least she's in this for the right reasons

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    Donna,

    Everytime you post now I just shake my head. You said I started this because I care. Then because the people never funded you, even though you foolishly never entered into a contract and funded it yourself, they became low class and people you are not comfortable with. Now it goes even further and they have become *********s for not doing what you never formally established they had to do before you started operating.

    Maybe it's just me but a song made popular by Cindy Lauper a few years ago keeps going through my head regarding you and your caring attitude. I think the title was True Colors and the big line in the song went something like this "I see your true colors shining through."

    If in fact the new location will be by donation and subscription only what is your guarantee that anyone will donte or subscribe? What good will a contract do if the governing body isn't your funding agency? I fear that in a few months we will have to live through the saga of your new community giving you the shaft and you taking your traveling band of troubadours on the road once again.

    Considering this is all non-profit I have to ask once again what is your motivation for doing any of this in the first place? It obviously, at least to me, is less about caring and more about control. Everyone is against you, the evil community that won't fund 1 person fire responses, the feds because you can't meet the matching funds and anyone on here that tries to get a straight answer out of you.

    Sitting here waiting patiently for the next diatribe...

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    Without getting in too deep here, I'm going to throw in a little of my experience.

    I work for a large Resort Community, and our neighbourhoods are chock-full of your "upper-class" folk. We are currently a private dept as well (funded by the main resort, although we are in the process of transferring to the regional district), and we have never received more than a couple of thousand dollars a year in donations. We make a few buck by washing peoples driveways in the spring and such, but barely enough to buy a few new lengths of hose. This is in a neighbourhood where the average home value easily exceeds a half million dollars, and many are multi-million dollar mansions.

    In my 10 years working out here I have determined that there are two types of people who make up this demographic.

    1. Those who are over-extended and falsely living the life (debt ridden). They may promise funds but will seldom be able to pay them (at least regularly).

    2. Those who are wealthy because they are tight. They didn't get that way by throwing money around. They may give you some small donations, but don't expect a lot from them either. These people view insurance as more important than fire trucks.

    There is a third type. Those who inherited money, and spend it like it is not their own, but they are very few and far between and usually end up ****ing it away in the end anyway.

    I would not expect the money to flow in from the new community just because they appear to have it. You will quickly find those vocal few who promise the world, but they are usually type 1 and fail to deliver in the end.

    You will probably be just as frustrated in the new location, because people are still people regardless of neighborhood, and they will still view and respect you about as much as the guy who cuts their lawn.
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    Sitting here waiting patiently for the next diatribe...
    Me too. I haven't had this much fun since Beerboy!

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    Thanks for the input MCCALDWELL...that is a point i will have my people look into down there at our new location.

    For the rest of yas....I realize there are no guarantees for there are no guarantees on anything...BUT...I really dont like the idea the people here being all for me getting this company going and then after its going...they want no part of it anymore...it just made me quite discouraged in helping them even tho at the very beginning that was my original plan.I knew when I first came here what types of ppl was in the community and McCALDWELL is right...there are all 3 types of those ppl here and ya simply cant get a dime out of them when ya ask for it.
    Bottom line is this....I simply cannot keep the company going out of my own pocket...i would end up broke...and I only have 2 choices...and that is to stay here and go completely broke...or move to my other location where people are at least willing to help and I can use my own money for things I might need(paying bills,etc.)
    My choice???....MOVE! LOLOL

    I DO want everybody to realize that just becuase were moving the compant...that the people here will not be left without protection...there IS a county based Company near here that will take over...on subscriptions or by charging only.

    My feelings is this...if theyd rather pay Seligman Fire District 4000 dollars PER call on incidents outside of thier district coverage area...than to fund me with just ONE lousy dollar per month per household(12 dollars per year per household) then thats strictly THIER choice.I only started this Company so that they dont have to pay that kind of price being most people here are "below poverty levels".

    The area we will be moving to has no fire or med protection services whatsoever...for at least 60 miles radius...and thats the reason thier lookin for that "basis" to start...which...is what were in the process of providing.There was an incident there before the holidays that required evacuation of the town and road closures around the area...all becuase they had no services to respond "immediately".They had to bring the services 60 miles away from any direction.
    This is ONE of the reasons for the move also.Here....there IS services already...and THERE...there is no services.

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    More non-answers.....

    Oh well,

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    Im sorry FYREDUP but I tried to answer the questions the best I could...so I know of nothing more to do...or say.

    OK....I DO have a bit of news that has just made me a "happy camper".
    I have been talking with the Chief of my MA company near here lately and we both have came out with these results:

    Our move will be "on-hold" for now.My MA Chief is willing to help me collect the taxes from the community I or we serve and is willing to work 2 budgets into his Company(the budget for his company...and a budget for mine).
    To explain this further,he is bringing up the plan before the County board of Supervisors(were both in the same county) and the plan will be this:

    As of now there is no taxing in the Community we serve(for fire protection).
    He will have the County collect the taxing into HIS company and then the taxing budget will be "split up into portions".This simply means I will only get a portion of the total taxing from the Community and he will get a portion also.The only thing that I am required to do is have a contract drawn up for the county to assure that I will be "permanent" instead of being "mobile".
    Apparently the word got around about us moving the company and the people apparently caused an uproar so we had a very long talk today.
    This plan will be brought up before the county board around the first of the year.This is so my MA chief and I can work out the details and so we can have a "case" to bring before the board.
    Even tho he has nothing to do with the Community we serve...hes willing to help us get the budgeting we need...and a "for sure" budget.
    My only requirement to him is to become an "automatic aid" for his company instead of just MA simply becuase he is very understaffed just as we are so him and I figure that if both Companies worked together...then that would hieghten the manpower plus the apparatus.I told him that I would agree to this.

    I also must explain that the reason I cannot do this myself is becuase we are not really entitled to County taxing..being we are not County based...thus the reason for the contract.

    I will update more info on this plan as we get more information on this plan.

    PLease wish us well that this plan goes through becuase we really need it.

    I also must stress that if yas have anything "bad" to say then please dont bother saying it for I am trying REALLY hard to get a bit more organized.

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    quotes about your current community...

    The community im leaving is a very "low class society" in which i do not feel comfortable in anymore.

    to better my company and to have support from a community that actually gives a s***t.

    I can deal with maybe a handful out of the community being asses and not doing what they promised ...BUT...the whole freakin community...as a whole
    Now that you might get some funding, the area is Ok?
    And now what happens with the new area you were working a deal with? Too bad for them?


    also must stress that if yas have anything "bad" to say then please dont bother saying it
    Nope, you've already said enough.
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    I will update more info on this plan as we get more information on this plan.
    Show of hands...Does anyone really care?

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    Originally posted by Bones42
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    Now that you might get some funding, the area is Ok?
    And now what happens with the new area you were working a deal with? Too bad for them?


    Nope, you've already said enough.

    I never said the area was still ok even tho I might be getting funded...but I DID say all I wanted was some funding and Id be happy....and so Im happy.As far as the other Community I never worked any deals yet...I only had petitions running...so there was no "yes" or "no" BUT....it wouldve been a whole different story had I already been there and started.For now....if they really want it,in which they have "said" they do...then I will probably just "expand" and put another small company there....no promises on this but the possibility is there.

    Why is it you people ALWAYS look for "faults" in me but NEVER anything good that i just MIGHT be doing???...How would you feel....say....if maybe I TURNED THE TABLES????

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