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    A quick excerpt from a story in the NY Times:


    MOSUL, Iraq, Nov. 26 — Since the Americans came to town seven months ago, the firefighters in this northern Iraqi city have gotten new trucks and new uniforms, American training and salaries 10 times larger than they used to be.MOSUL, Iraq, Nov. 26 — Since the Americans came to town seven months ago, the firefighters in this northern Iraqi city have gotten new trucks and new uniforms, American training and salaries 10 times larger than they used to be.

    But when word came Sunday afternoon that two American soldiers had been shot in the head and killed a block away, the men of Ras al Jada fire station ran to the site and looked on with glee as a crowd of locals dragged the Americans from their car and tore off their watches and jackets and boots.

    "I was happy, everyone was happy," Waadallah Muhammad, one of the firefighters, said as he stood in front of the firehouse. "The Americans, yes, they do good things, but only to enhance their reputation. They are occupiers. We want them to leave."


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    This is so shocking and disturbing I can't believe it. I don't even know what to say.

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    Default Oh yeah???

    I say- "F-them." (raises middle finger)

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    I say nuke the middle east, allies and enemies... all of 'em. Nuke it, and then cluster bomb the rest... to follow with a good and complete carpet bombing. Now that would be tax money well spent.
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    Damn, 33motor, much as I might like to disagree with you,to be politicaly correct, I CAN"T. I'm with you on this one

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    I never thought I could wish ill of a firefighter anywhere-until now.
    Make no mistake, these MUTTS are not firefighters.


    I say- "F-them." (raises middle finger)
    I'll second that and add a "Pog Mo Thoín!"
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    Me think it's time to walk away and let them sort themselves out.

    They're doing a great job of eliminating each other- let's leave them to do it.

    BUT, the moment one of them sticks their head up and points something in our direction, then I say we hit 'em with all we've got.

    There appears to be some (I won't say all) people that are so ungrateful for what has already been achieved and what is trying to be achieved.

    For crying out loud- look at what they had before hand!
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    Exclamation here's what I think...

    Here is my view (it is not politically correct....I do not care). Thanks to Uncle Sam I have been to the Middle East, it absolutely sucks. Most of the people there hate Americans, even those we are "Allies" with. I know this for a fact as I asked many myself. I asked these "individuals" why they hated America..they told me we (Americans) "are trying to take over their world". I asked them if they appreciated the help we brought them, I was told "yes many appreciated all aid we recieve, but America will always be our enemy". I really don't understand this, they claim to hate America and all we stand for BUT...in the main city of the pathetic nation I was stationed in there was McDonalds, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, Chili's, even a freakin Dairy Queen. They drive American cars, listen to American music, buy American clothes...and the USA is the enemy. (?) I watch the news everyday of my brother and sister soldiers being killed by the 5's and 6's and it drives me crazy. I think it's time to leave the Middle East....F' em....F 'em all. Just my opinion, you all are welcome to disagree.

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    Default Make Iraq the World's Largest Mirror

    I've been saying that all along!

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    I say we call the Soviet Union and China. We tell them there's going to be a loud noise, and the earth may shake for a little while. When it's over, they can split the land.


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    It amamzes me that that we spend this much time and resources overseas, yet every one of us knows of an area where kids cannot read and write, they're not sure where their next meal may come from, and they play in the street hoping a stray bullet won't get them. I don't get it.

    The president of the US is NOT the president of the world. If we had everything going great around here, then maybe we could help others. We need to clean our own backyard first.

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    Default Right on...

    Originally posted by InAndUp

    [BEGIN RANT]

    The president of the US is NOT the president of the world. If we had everything going great around here, then maybe we could help others. We need to clean our own backyard first.

    [END RANT]

    Thats right! I love to hear it. Fix our own first...

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    I fly the american flag everyday, just before I climb into my 30 year old fire engine that we can't afford to replace, I say nuke the sorry bastards and send one of those new fire trucks my way.

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    Default Nuke Em

    Through good luck or good sense I'm not there, I got out last February, but my former National Guard unit has been right there in the middle of Bagdad since Mar. of this year. Having spent time in the military I know a little about whats going on over there, its become guerrilla warfare, hit and go hide type fighting. We need to either to put enough grunts on the ground and overwhelm these terrorists, or pull everyone out and let them have their oil! As for those Iragi firemen draw and quarter them.
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    I agree with you their are many departments here that could use that equipment. Its time to pack up our new trucks and equipment and go home....at least not until we make the middle east one large parking lot. Then Disney can create is largest theme park....Middle East Disney....and have tons and tons of US Flags flying year round.
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    Dont we still have alot of bomb left over form the cold war that we can use there!

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    Default saying that........

    American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
    We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
    There's a lot of men dead,
    So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
    My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
    But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
    He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
    To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

    Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
    A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
    Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
    Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

    Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
    And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
    And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
    When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
    And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
    Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

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    Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
    This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
    An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
    'Cos we'll put a boot in your ***, it's the American way.

    Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
    And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
    And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
    When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
    And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
    Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

    Oh, oh.
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    Of my Red, White and Blue.
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    Originally posted by gunnyv
    "But when word came Sunday afternoon that two American soldiers had been shot in the head and killed a block away, the men of Ras al Jada fire station ran to the site and looked on with glee as a crowd of locals dragged the Americans from their car and tore off their watches and jackets and boots." ... I never thought I could wish ill of a firefighter anywhere-until now.
    Many times, when people from other countries come to America to visit, they are astonished by the lack of violence. Why? Because look at the news every day? It's pretty harsh stuff. Snipers. Bombings. Murders. And with the exception of the US's capitalism, the bad news is the only thing they see. So, they develop notions about our country that are false. I said that... because I'm seeing the exact same thing in this thread.

    Perhaps the firefighters at that station did look on with joy as our soliders were killed. Well, I agree with the sentiments expressed here. Sounds like those guys are wastes of human flesh. Yet, I'm disappointed to see firefighters -- folks who are sworn to protect lives every day -- making blanket suggestions to essentially nuke 'em all and be done with it. Maybe the report about the firefighters was true, but I don't think that everyone in the middle east feels that way.

    Just as the evil people that make the news in the states don't represent the values of many communities around the country... I'm sure that the evil people that make the news in the middle east aren't representative of the average citizen. There are families over there -- just like here. There are moms & dads with children who are doing whatever they can to get by. Many are thankful for the efforts of the US military. When you say things like "nuke the middle east," make the middle east a parking lot and "F'em all," how are you coming across? With the desire to end human life just because someone's different or because some of their fellow citizens are evil? I hope not... and I hope that some of you will reconsider the blanket statements you've made.

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    Random thoughts:

    1. Screw them
    2. The FF they interviewed may have been the only one who felt that way. The US media delights in finding disgruntled Iraqis.
    3. We need to be in Iraq. Besides all the reasons that have been discussed here ad nauseum, we MUST have a foothold over there to keep a lid on some of the activities that are taking place. We also need to be able to have immediate access to intel and to be able to rapidly respond to adverse events.

    Example: Nuclear efforts in Iran. The moment they roll those bad boys out, we need to be able to squidh themlike a bug.

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    Just as the evil people that make the news in the states don't represent the values of many communities around the country... I'm sure that the evil people that make the news in the middle east aren't representative of the average citizen. There are families over there -- just like here. There are moms & dads with children who are doing whatever they can to get by. Many are thankful for the efforts of the US military. When you say things like "nuke the middle east," make the middle east a parking lot and "F'em all," how are you coming across? With the desire to end human life just because someone's different or because some of their fellow citizens are evil? I hope not... and I hope that some of you will reconsider the blanket statements you've made.
    My statements still stand. To me the middle east is nothing more than a septic wound.... one that needs a thorough cleaning. It's a place where virus' are bred daily... young or old, a virus is still a virus. The way to deal with a potential threat like that is to eradicate it, before it causes more problems. Do I have a "beef" with a youngster in the middle east? No, of course not. But, I'm not ready to wait and see if that kid grows up to drive a car bomb into the restaurant where one of my daughters may be eating. In my opinion, they are guilty be association.

    You're right, moms and dads are doing whatever they can to get by... and I would imagine that if it means popping some GI in the head to get his wallet, dad does not have a problem with it. It has been my observation that in places like these, life is cheap. I have to assume that the "pool" that they think from is different than mine or yours.

    Your humanitarian stance is respected, cozmo. But, if we allow ourselves to take that type of stance we only prolong the problem. I would love to just walk away from there and let 'em be... but we will be in the same boat we were in before. Taking the "touchy feely" approach will never work.. we will never pick out all the bad apples and allow the good ones to go on. It sounds harsh, but my opinion is they are all "spoiled apples" and need to be in the trash heap. You want to talk about their "rights" or about "families", but what about ours? Are we willing to wait and see how many bad ones are still left, at the expence of american moms and dads & children? I would hope not. It's like having a rabid dog around the house. I have nothing against the "dog".. but I'm not going to wait until he attacks my kids to eliminate the threat.
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    I am with all of you here, F- Them!!!

    Ok, we are a superpower. The only one. I guess that alone would generate some enemies. We are there only for oil. We don't give a crap about rebuilding stuff. We want to control the oil and that's it. If we had the same problems here do you think they would come in and help us?? I don't think so. How many of them helped at Ground Zero???

    We always play war in someone else's backyard. It's about time we get our own crap straight here and fix things in our own country. I would love to see the day that fire and police departments around the country get exactly what they need and want and the government will have to have a bake sale to buy a bomber!

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    The FF they interviewed may have been the only one who felt that way. The US media delights in finding disgruntled Iraqis.
    I suppose that it is possible that he was the only one, not probable, but possible.

    Has anyone else noticed the latest tactics being employed. First 7 Spanish are killed, now two Japanese. Me thinks they are attempting to break up the coalition. I am afraid it may work. I don't think other governments, with the notable exception of the UK, are as strongly behind these actions as ours is.

    A couple more incidents like these and you can bet that our allies will begin to remove their troops, or at least refuse to send more.
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    Originally posted by Duffman


    I suppose that it is possible that he was the only one, not probable, but possible.

    Has anyone else noticed the latest tactics being employed. First 7 Spanish are killed, now two Japanese. Me thinks they are attempting to break up the coalition. I am afraid it may work. I don't think other governments, with the notable exception of the UK, are as strongly behind these actions as ours is.

    A couple more incidents like these and you can bet that our allies will begin to remove their troops, or at least refuse to send more.
    Very astute observation, Duff. All you have to look at is the attacks on our closest ally outside of the UK, Italy.

    However, I believe, that these attacks are being carried out by a very, very small number of Iraqis, supported by terrorists from other countries such as Yemen (which is Arab for sewer) and Syria. The latest push to tighten up the borders and to use mobile forces to root out these malcontents should go along way to stabilization.

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    On another note... A BIG thumbs up to our President on his Thanksgiving trip to Iraq. I always try to give credit where credit is due...And this certainly applies here.

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