On the issue of OSB for Sub Floor/Building Construction:
TruckSkipper’s and HFD66truck's comments bring up a very good point, Building Construction/Code Requirements.
OSB is definitely used here in KY for a sub-floor, I have encountered it in a number of structures.
Is it a legitimate construction practice that meets code? That one I am not real sure of, but I will be asking our Fire Marshall for some more info.
TruckSkipper, you may not see this type of construction where you work at in NJ because it may not meet the Code requirements in your area. HFD66truck, you may see this in your area because it does meet the code requirements or no one is enforcing the code issue. Obviously everyone needs to consider what type of Building Code/Code Enforcement that thay have in their area. There are some places that follow and enforce BOCA and NFPA Codes to the letter. However, I am sure many of you also know of places where they could not tell you who BOCA or NFPA are.
It can be hard to tell what type of floor you are crawling in on at 3:00 AM, that is why it is very important for you to really know what types of construction you have in your “1st Due”. The building construction you will face will vary widely based on a number of factors, age of the structure, code requirements, and upgrades or remodels just to name a few.
Per the earlier discussion, your strategy & tactics have to match the building construction. Unfortunately a lot of people are not considering this and it is one of the major reasons why we are losing a lot of Brothers to STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE. You have to know as best you can if you are fighting fire in a “5 minute structure” or a “15 minute structure”.
Your only option maybe to make some “educated” guesses based on what you see during your Size-Up at 3:00 AM, but it obviously helps greatly when you can also add information from pre-plans, previous experiences, and knowledge such as building code requirements.
The second the fire starts, is the second the clock starts ticking. The building is only going to last so long before something fails. You have to ask the questions, What will fail first? How will long will it be before it fails? If you can’t get answers that you are pretty confident with then the best option maybe to keep the Brothers out of harms way.
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12-26-2003, 11:02 AM #61
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12-26-2003, 04:18 PM #62
I must again apologize for taking this thread further off the subject.
As far as the use of OSB in my experience goes, I had first seen it used as vertical sheathing in class 5 construction. It wasn't even used on roofs because as I was told it didn't hold up well to the moisture and weather extremes.
Of coarse they use it on roofs now but that's probably because they made improvements not because it's cheeper.DKK
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01-14-2004, 11:19 AM #63
... how am I the first to post this???
Fire company may disband
Tuesday, January 13, 2004
Action may result from scathing state review of firefighter's death in 2001
By STEVE LEVINE
Municipal business administrator Gerald White said Monday that state findings into the death of firefighter James Heenan three years ago could lead to the revocation of the Verga Fire Company's jurisdiction to fight fires, in effect a disbanding of the company.
Heenan, a Verga firefighter for 17 years, died from injuries sustained in a Jan. 1, 2001 fire in the Verga section of the township.
A state report last month laid blame for Heenan's death at the feet of his own company, in particular his fire chief, John Casciano.
"That is a potential outcome of this," White said of the possibility to revoke Verga's jurisdiction.
White's remarks came during a meeting of the municipal Emergency Services Coordinating Council, a body composed of fire chiefs from the township's four companies, other township officials and at least one resident.
The scathing state report, issued Dec. 16 by the Division of Fire Safety, found that Casciano gravely misjudged the house fire that cost Heenan his life.
It also faulted Casciano for not taking advantage of a thermal imaging camera on scene in sizing up the blaze and found that his decision to introduce a so-called fog stream into the fire may have actually killed him.
Heenan suffered severe burns and languished on life support until March 25, 2001. He was survived by a wife and two boys.
Following the fire Verga officials did not cooperate with state investigators and their records had to be subpoenaed.
While Casciano did not respond to numerous phone calls from the Courier-Post following the report's release, he stated publicly at Monday's meeting that he thinks it is flawed.
"We don't feel it's worth the paper it's written on," said Casciano, himself a member of the council, on behalf of his department.
Though Heenan was a highly seasoned firefighter, his backup, James Miller, did not even hold a basic firefighting certificate. In fact, of 22 firefighters on the Verga department's roster at the time, only five, including Heenan and an officer, were certified to fight fires, state investigators found.
Heenan's widow Patti told the panel that losing him was simply unnecessary.
"Everyone was supposed to have training," she told the board.
Regarding the removal of non-certified fire fighters from the township's four departments, she said "we need somebody to step up to the plate."
White said a township official may soon have that authority. The board was expected to approve new duties for township fire official Jim Trautner to enforce certifications but those duties would not take effect until township committee adopts an ordinance to do so.
The council had taken no action on the measure by press time. If it does township committee will have to ratify the action by ordinance.
White said township officials have no authority over local fire chiefs other than "the power of the purse" - their funding - and control over their department's jurisdiction to fight fires.
He said township committee may remove Verga's jurisdiction to fight fires but could not say when or if that would happen.
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