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    Ok Ive talked with a bunch of people are joining and I really want to join the Army but I would like to know from those that have done Army or any other armed service if its really the way to go. I would also like to know if having the training help me out getting a fire fighter or police job after I get out. Any advice good or bad.

    A little bit of back ground info im 17 in 11th grade and will be getting out of high school in 05. I first wanted to goto college right out of high school for Fire related classes. My mom hates the fact that I want to "close the doors" on college and my dad has told me either I become a lifer in the Army or when I get out I goto college.

    The reason i want to join im not going to post just yet mainly because I want my mom to be the first to know why im willing to put my life out there in some far off land for about 250 million people I dont know or will ever know. So when i tell her you all will find out. I want my MOS to be 11B which is Infantry. Again any advice good or bad would be great.

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    http://www.goarmy.com/jobs/mos/mos51M.asp

    http://www.goarmy.com/jobs/mos/mos95B.asp

    http://www.goarmy.com/army101/benefits.htm

    Check out these links. The best bet is to talk to your local recruiter. Make sure you get all the information about the educational benefits. You don't have to slam the door shut on college, just put it off for a bit.
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    As a former 95Bravo or Military Police Officer. I will tell you this is a big decision in your life. And as such it should not be done lightly...or without great consideration. Make sure that you think things through before you sign any paperwork. After you have done that then go forward with your decision. Remember you can't live your life for your parents...you need to do what you think is best for you.If you have any real questions about the Army..not the BS you get from a recruiter...email me.
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    Originally posted by ff7134
    ...not the BS you get from a recruiter...
    Ha Ha!

    He's certainly speaking from experience there. Those promotional videos they show you sure leave out a lot.

    I think everyone could gain from some sort of service however. I loved my time in the Army, and would reccommend it to almost anyone (besides, there is no better stress relief than blowing stuff up).
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    I would also like to know if having the training help me out getting a fire fighter or police job after I get out.

    Make a list of some jurisdictions you'd like to be hired at in the future, and ask them.

    One example, MA gives "Veteran Preference" on Civil Service exams for active military time, whether in wartime or not. Some states that veteran preference is only wartime. That preference is a big help in Massachussets.

    Other jurisdictions may not use civil service, but look at experience, etc individually -- for them being a Firefighter in the Air Force is probably more important than being an Infantryman.

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    Let me preface this by saying that I have not been a member of the armed forces. However, I did consider joining for a period of time, and hence I feel qualified to put in my two cents

    What I would recommend is this: get your degree first. I know that does not sound like a great idea right now, but if you enter the military AFTER receiving your degree, you are automatically granted officer status. At least that was my understanding.

    The reason many people join the Army is because the minimum enlistment period is just 2 years, unlike the other branches. But I would like to point out that Army soldiers are the ones who generally comprise most of the ground combat forces during a time of war. Statistically, your chances of fatality are greater if you join the Army.

    Now for my personal opinion (gotta stick that in somewhere!) the Army stinks. It is so not prestigious. Now, the Marine Corps, IMO is the one to join. Like they say...the few, the proud, the Marines. However, the Air Force wouldn't be so bad, either. The only thing with them is that the minimum enlistment period is 4 years. For the Marine Corps, it's 3. However, if you want to have more options in exactly what part of that branch you want to be a part of, usually you have to commit to more years up-front.

    I applaud you for wanting to serve our country. That is a fine thing. Don't let what anyone else says have too much influence on your decision; you have to do what you know in your heart is right.

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    Originally posted by Catrina

    Now for my personal opinion (gotta stick that in somewhere!) the Army stinks. It is so not prestigious.


    Now wait just a @#!% minute!

    There is no shame in serving in the United States Army, or any other of the armed forces for that matter. We all sign on to defend the same constitution and wear the same flags on our uniforms. The traditional inter-service rivalry BS is just that - BS.

    My family and I have represented every branch of the service except the Marine Corps and it's probably just a matter of time before that gets done. If you have the desire to serve, find out which branch suits you best and serve.

    There is nothing wrong with enlisting with the intent of earning money for college. If you like the service enough to make a career of it, consider going to college after you complete your enlistment term and take ROTC to become an officer. Or join the fire service.

    You are too young to have to settle on a career choice just yet. Something in your life over the next few years may ignite a passion you never knew you had.

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    I did 4 years in the USMC. After getting out I went straight to college for 4 years, paying the way with the money I earned in the Corps.

    I strongly encourage anyone to join, there are some people who simply won't thrive in the military, but if you survive bootcamp you come out of it a much more disaplined person with some great training (some of which is good for college credit).

    To the choice of infantry, don't do it. There is very little cross over to the civilian world, so unless you make a career on it being a grunt does not transfer well to civilian life. Pick an MOS which a) appeals to you and b) has a civilian counterpart. Being an MP or in the fire service are two great jobs.

    Originally posted by Catrina
    if you enter the military AFTER receiving your degree, you are automatically granted officer status.

    Sorry, simply not true, if it were about 75% of the military would be made up of officers. If you have your degree you can apply to Officer Canidate School (OCS) but it is far from a sure thing. Only the military acadamies are sure paths to being an officer.

    that Army soldiers are the ones who generally comprise most of the ground combat forces during a time of war. Statistically, your chances of fatality are greater if you join the Army.
    From CNN.com:
    U.S. casualties: 148 battle deaths, 145 nonbattle deaths
    Army: 98 battle; 105 nonbattle
    Navy: 6 battle; 8 nonbattle
    Marines: 24 battle; 26 nonbattle
    Air Force: 20 battle; 6 nonbattle

    While the Army suffered nearly 4 times more casulties you must consider that there were roughly 96,000 army while the total number of Marines involved in the war was about 4000

    Now, the Marine Corps, IMO is the one to join. Like they say...the few, the proud, the Marines. However, the Air Force wouldn't be so bad, either.
    I was with you right up until the air force thing, Seriously, all the branches have something to offer. Personally, if I had to do it again I'd seriously consider the Coast Guard.
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    Originally posted by ullrichk

    Now wait just a @#!% minute!

    There is no shame in serving in the United States Army, or any other of the armed forces for that matter. We all sign on to defend the same constitution and wear the same flags on our uniforms. The traditional inter-service rivalry BS is just that - BS.

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    Thank you to those who have posted so far.
    ...not the BS you get from a recruiter...
    lol Ive been told by many guys if they dont have the job I want to get up out of the room and thank them for their time and more then likey they will call back in a few days saying they have the job. I want to goto college while im in the army or at the most take online college classes that will give me some college credits. Also my choices in jobs goes as 1st Fire fighter 2nd Infantry and 3rd MP. Im fine with any of those jobs. The main reason I want Infantry is so I can try out for Rangers.

    Remember you can't live your life for your parents...you need to do what you think is best for you
    I know that. My dad knows that and my mom well doesnt but she will soon or later just hopefully not when im leaving for basic. No I havent signed anything yet and wont till next school year.

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    I still strongly consider Army medic or Coast Guard law enforcement.... maybe I'll take the plunge one of these days...
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    Bullets, bombs, grenades, mortars and other lethal forms of killing do not differentiate between branches of service. To serve is an honor, regardless of branch affiliation. Inter-service rivalry has always been there and always will be. I served in combat and fought alongside the Army, Marines and Navy personnel and all performed with honor and valor. Be proud of whatever branch you chose and use it to your advantage in civilian life.

    To add to this inter services discussion. Who, where and what branch of service did the most decorated individual in United States military history serve?

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    grrr, the Army? As someone who has seen the Army run in his family across 3 generations, I'd have to say it is probably the least desirable right now. The guys who are getting out seriously laugh at all the young idealistic guys that are coming in.

    Army recruiters are amusing for a few simple reasons. First, the Army triest to promise you the world, and I find that they are the hardest recruiters to get rid of. Once they have your name, number, and ASVAB score they will hound you day and night. I think I had to actually threaten one with a restraining order. That was one recruiter I spoke to. The other never called, until I went to see the Marine recruiter, that's when he started feeling competitive. I almost joined as a cvil affairs specialist, but I decided back off and now I'm slated to go to MEPS for the Marines soon.

    I like what they offer, although Reserve choices in Oklahoma are limited. When you talk with a recruiter and they tell you more about emotional properties and qualities that many people lack. To me, it wasn't about money (what the Army promises) that got me hooked, it was about something that could be earned other than paycheck every month. All of my friends at school who joined the Army talk down about Marines, and what did the recruiter and my other friends who are and former Marines say about the other branches, nothing at all, other than they were entitled to their opinion and that someone doing something they know they probably couldn't do probably intimidated them.

    In other words, if you want free money and short cut, join the Army. If you want pride in an organization that's not easily earned but once you've been through it you can do anything, join the Marines.

    Audy Murphy (U.S. Army, WWII, 3rd ID) has nothing to do with the discussion. In my opinion, he was simply in the right place at the right time and had luck on his side.

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    Here's some advice from a USAF Fire Fighter.

    I was in the same predicament when I was your age. I spent the first 8 years of my life as an Army Officer brat. I knew I wanted the experience and discipline of the military, but as you're experiencing: What branch? What job? etc.

    1st pick what job you want. It sounds like you've already done that to some extent. But, who knows? You're young and might change your mind. What ever you decide, when you go to the recruiter, don't compromise.

    2nd pick which branch. Easier said than done, and I speak from experience. All branches have their pros and cons. I can see you're doing your homework, good call! Be thorough, and choose what you think is right for you.

    3rd look at the National Guard and Reserves. They have their pros and cons vs active duty, and each other. If you decide to go this route be sure to take a good look at all the units in your area. They're not all the same. Also keep in mind most of your time spent in the Guard or Reserves is 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks a year, but you're still in the military and can be called to go to war.

    Here's a little bit of knowledge for ya. If you decide to go into the fire service, it doesn't matter what branch of the military you join, all military and Coast Guard fire fighters go through the Air Force Fire Academy at Goodfellow AFB.

    I've been in the military for 11 years and if you have any questions about the military fire service or the military in general feel free to e-mail me at fire911101@insightbb.com

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    I like the pattern put forward in the last post, unless you have a particularly strong leaning towards one branch of the service, pick your job then see who has it available. Not all the branches have the same MOS', for instance there are no medics in the Marines, they use Navy Corpsmen instead (BTW, if you join the Navy to be a medic you may end up serving as a Marine with the title anyway, hehehe I used to love busting those guys up.)

    The reserves however, I would hesitate before recomending. Typically they are under staffed, using older equipment, and are being called out at an alarming rate. There was a time when the reserves were the place you went if you wanted to serve but not get called to action (as Bush did) but those days went with the cold war.

    As for the most decorated combat hero? That's actually a tough question to answer since not all branches give out metals for the same reasons. Marines historically have not been as liberal with the handing out of awards as the Army has been.

    Obvious top place nominations are Lt Audey Murphy USA who received 33 awards including the Metal of Honor, Col Matt Urban USA who was awarded his CMH in 1980 for seven seperate actions during WWII along with 7 purple hearts for a total of more than 30 awards. Sgt Daniel Daly USMC and Gen Smedley Butler USMC recieved 2 CMH's and lived to tell about it. Lt Thomas Custer, little brother of Gen George Custer (and who would die with his brother at Little Big Horn) recieved 2 CHM's when he was 18 years old during the Civil War, he was the only member of the Army to do so. Coxswain John Cooper and Boatswain Patrick Mullen both recieved 2 CMH's during the Civil War
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    fire304,

    Nice little history lesson on the military.

    fire911101,

    Lighten up a little, it was just a question with no intentional inference.

    As for the post. I'm MUCH older now and the Army may not be what it was when I was in. Just take your time picking the branch that best suits your needs. Again, take pride in any branch you serve as they all have their place in the scheme of things.

    If your ultimate goal is to become a firefighter I'd consider one branch that only a few mentioned. That branch would be the U.S. Coast Guard. I spent 6 years in the C.G. reserves after my stint in Nam (Army) and learned a lot about search and rescue techniques, firefighting, port security and enviromental monitoring. They tended to like to have a lot of cross trained people but that may not be true today either, you'd have to ask. This is one branch that rarely ever receives it due. I actually learned a lot that was directly related to my firefighting activities in civilian life.

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    Im set on the army for right now. I may do coast guard after my time in the army but I dont know. The reason I want to join is I dont think I could enjoy the freedoms we have fully with out protecting it first but thats just me. Also where can you get a job to shoot and destroy stuff and get paid for it!

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    "Also where can you get a job to shoot and destroy stuff and get paid for it"!


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    Originally posted by Fire304

    The reserves however, I would hesitate before recomending. Typically they are under staffed, using older equipment, and are being called out at an alarming rate. There was a time when the reserves were the place you went if you wanted to serve but not get called to action (as Bush did) but those days went with the cold war.

    No general statement can really be made now days concerning the staffing, funding or equipment when pertaining to reserve components these days.

    It is true that we as a force are deployed much more often these days. More than anything that has much to do with our last Commander in Chief cutting so much full time military. Because of these cuts, and being called out more often, the reserve component forces have been brought up to date with the same equipment as any active duty equivalent.

    My FA unit, for example just converted to MLRS from 155mmSP. We don't have any equipment that is any different from an active duty MLRS battalion. In fact most of our stuff is brand new. A lot of this had to do with the fact that we are at our strength goals.

    Besides all that the college money can be great. In Wisconsin where I'm in the guard we have one of the best college funding programs in the nation. Currently members of the Wisconsin National Guard (Army and Air) are reimbursed 100% of their college tuition from any school up to the rate of 4 years at The University of Wisconsin Madison. All of us are eligible for the part-time GI Bill which is roughly $300.00 a month depending on MOS and ASVAB score and depending on MOS we can also earn a $10,000 student loan repayment option and an enlistment bonus. This is all while serving the normal 1 weekend a month and a two-week annual training. Also, believe it or not, you can be an 11B infantry troop in the guard and still go to any hooah school you want. My buddy who's 11B in the guard got an Ranger slot, he's airborne and air assault and did all of them in the guard.

    With all that being said, my advice to you is this: Either way you go active or reserve or what ever branch you pick; choose an MOS, Rating, job, whatever that is the job you'd like to do on the civilian side. My only regret is that I didn't follow my own advice and pick an MOS that would have crossed over. Now that I'm in fire/ems I really wish I had gone Air Force fire instead. Apparently there are no jobs for field artillery troops out there.

    If you have any questions send me an email. Stay safe out there and good luck.

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    Yeah, also remember that when you enter the Military there is a (good) chance you may be called to battle. I am sick of seeing these Kids who say "I thought I was just gonna get college money, I didn't know they wanted me to kill people too!"

    Remember, the Army and Marines are Killers first, Clerks and whatever else Second. If you gotta go to battle, don't come crying to mommy about the oppressive Government making you do things that are against your conscience. If you cannot grapple with the fact that the Military kills people in defense of this country during wartime, than Maybe PETA or Greenpeace will give you some free money for college.

    Sickens me to see people turning yellow during combat because of their "beliefs and morals." Yeah, I am scared S--tless of an RPG round, but you better believe if someone fires it at/near me, I am going to fire back and attempt to end that persons existence.

    No, I have never served in the Military, never seemed that desirable of a career choice to me. However I would never demean the duties of a soldier.

    The Military is an excellent choice for young people with little direction in life or young people trying to find a meaningful way to serve their Nation and get the proper skills, discipline and motivation to have a self-sufficient life free of dependance on others.

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    Yeah, also remember that when you enter the Military there is a (good) chance you may be called to battle. I am sick of seeing these Kids who say "I thought I was just gonna get college money, I didn't know they wanted me to kill people too!"
    This is what I know if I join the military.
    1.I could and more then likey sent out to battle somewheres
    2.I could kill some one
    3.When/If I make it home I will have sleepless nights
    4.I will have storys I will not tell
    5.I could die or be badly hurt in battle
    6.I will know what the trem "hell on earth" really means
    7.I will see my fellow soldiers/others dieing and dead
    8.I will see the wrost of man kind but also the best
    9.I will be leaving behind many things that I own and may never see them again
    10.I will be away from friends and family for long periods of time and maybe never see them again

    I know that and I still want to join. I know I could easly go to college and get that over with but I would still not know what the word "freedom" means or what being free really means unless I enlist and protect it with my life. I more the likey sound crazy right but thats just why I want to join.

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    Originally posted by Quigger


    I know that and I still want to join. I know I could easly go to college and get that over with but I would still not know what the word "freedom" means or what being free really means unless I enlist and protect it with my life. I more the likey sound crazy right but thats just why I want to join.

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    I was a civilian federal firefighter and for what I know,
    the AIR FORCE is one of the best for firefighting.

    They have a lot of money, their bases are nice and they
    make you go to school. From what I know, most people
    come out with an AA/AS.

    I would strongly consider the AF.

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