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    Patton Boggs is not a "he". PAtton Boggs is an enormous law firm that is, I'm certain, billing hourly. Their bills are probably not public record as there is ongoing litigation.
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    March 24, 2009 -- Each name, slightly more than one-and-a-half inches tall, will carry the most intimate memories. All 2,982 names together, arrayed atop parapets stretching more than 1,500 feet around two great pools, will convey the vastness of the loss. With such a range of scale and so many emotions attached, it is no wonder that one of the simplest architectural details of the new World Trade Center — the parapets around the memorial pools — has taken so long to design. Officials with the National September 11 Memorial and Museum hope to unveil the final design of the parapets by summer. “It’s been a great learning process,” said Joseph C. Daniels, the president and chief executive. It has also been a prolonged, exacting and sometimes contentious process. It has involved full-scale mockups at a Lower Manhattan office, at the Brooklyn Navy Yard, at a warehouse in Berkeley, Calif., and a backyard in Richmond Hill, Ontario. It has required endless tinkering with the size, shape and style of letters. It has called for painstaking efforts to harness water so that it will perform just right. It has compelled constant adjustments to the parapets’ perimeters to ensure the best sight lines. And it has meant confronting a requirement in the New York City Building Code that the parapets be exactly 42 inches high. Each move threatened to complicate what is intended to be a stark embodiment of absence. “The guiding principle was not to have anything additive or unnecessary,” said the architect Michael Arad. His entry won the memorial design competition in 2003, after he was paired with the landscape architectural firm Peter Walker & Partners of Berkeley. There have been so many revisions that the designers almost ran out of alphabet. “We ended up at Option Y,” Mr. Arad said. Mr. Arad’s original notion was to place enormous sunken pools where the twin towers stood. Underground galleries were to surround the pools, with low parapets on which the victims’ names would be inscribed. However, these galleries were eliminated in 2006 to save money. That brought the names display to street level, turning the plaza into the memorial.

    Another important change in 2006 occurred when Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, who is the chairman of the memorial, gave up the idea of displaying names randomly. Instead, they will be arranged to keep co-workers and family members together.

    There will be 1,568 names around the north pool, representing 1,475 people who were in or around the north tower, 87 people aboard the jetliner that hit it and 6 victims of the 1993 bombing of the trade center. The 1,414 names around the south pool will include 441 emergency workers — chiefly firefighters and police officers, 690 people from the south tower, 60 from the plane that hit it, 125 at the Pentagon, 59 from the jetliner that hit it and 39 from the jet that crashed in Pennsylvania.

    In 2007, the designers explored a creative way to comply with the building code. It involved small peripheral pools at plaza level where water will be stored before falling into the giant pools below. If these upper pools were 42 inches deep, the designers reasoned, they would honor the barrier requirement unobtrusively. The names panels would have been almost flush with the plaza surface, set within the upper pools.

    Abstractly speaking, it was elegant. But there were problems. “Having the names on the ground made some individuals feel they weren’t getting the respect they needed,” Mr. Daniels said.

    Another concern, he said, was that the absence of any visible barriers might make visitors anxious about approaching the edge of the enormous pools and waterfalls. “It shouldn’t be a scary experience,” Mr. Daniels said. “It should be awe-inspiring and reverential.”

    But what finally compelled the designers to raise the name panels roughly to an adult’s waist level — besides the requirement to do so — was the idea that visitors would want to touch the names as well as read them.

    “The moment of circumnavigation around the pools is a moment of communion with the dead,” Mr. Arad said, “and the notion of making it felt is very important.”

    Thomas H. Rogér, a memorial board member whose daughter, Jean, was a crew member on the plane that hit the north tower, recalled going “back and forth” on such details as whether the letters in the names should be raised or cut out.

    In the end, the designers decided that cut-out letters would work best for rubbings and could be effectively back-lit at night. (The typeface they chose, Optima, was designed by Hermann Zapf in 1958.) Raised letters will indicate categories like Flight 11, North Tower or Engine Company 10.

    Even an element so minute had a meaningful consequence. “A big part of the whole issue are the rubbings that people will want to take of the names,” Mr. Rogér said. “That was something we never wanted to lose.”
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    NEW YORK — New York City has positively matched another September 11, 2001 victim to long-held human remains after retesting DNA. The city medical examiner's office says 54-year-old Manuel Emilio Mejia has been identified from remains found at the World Trade Center site in the months after the 2001 terrorist attack. Mejia was a kitchen worker at Windows on the World, the restaurant on top of the trade center's north tower. Nearly 2,800 people are on the city's September 11 victims list, but more than 40 percent of them have never been identified from remains. The city has started using newer DNA technology to retest thousands of remains. It has identified more than 20 victims with the technology over the past two years.
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    Thank you for keeping us updated, Ray.

    I hope it brings comfort to his family and loved ones.

    Rest peacefully in the arms of the angels, Manuel Emilio Mejia.
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    April 20, 2009 -- The Freedom Tower could be the only building actually constructed within what is now the Ground Zero pit -- at least for a few years -- according to a shocking claim by the site's developer. During a tense community meeting last week, Silverstein Properties officials said the 65-story Tower 4, already under construction, could be delayed or stopped if the Port Authority doesn't hurry up and build infrastructure crucial to its completion. The surprising statements came as reports surfaced that the PA wants to hold off on the construction of Towers 2 and 3 until the economy rebounds, with the last tower slated to be completed in 2030. "This is a $2 billion project, with over 3,000 people working on the job," said Silverstein WTC Project Director Janno Lieber. "That's not a project you can play hurry-up-and-wait on." Lieber first dropped the bomb that the project could be up in the air at a Community Board 1 meeting last Monday, blaming the PA for slow construction of sidewalks, utilities, a PATH station and an underground vehicle-security center, all of which are "necessary" to finish the tower. But one source called the comments a "negotiation ploy" as Silverstein battles the PA over the future of Towers 2 and 3. PA spokesman Steve Coleman denied that the agency is behind and said Silverstein "can move ahead with the construction."
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    Hiya Ray. God bless you and everyone else who are doing all they can to make sure all of us NEVER FORGET
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
    Hiya Ray. God bless you and everyone else who are doing all they can to make sure all of us NEVER FORGET
    i hear you Mike..and now how bout this *****

    April 23, 2009 -- WASHINGTON - The push to win long-term help for the heroes of 9/11/01 inched forward in Congress on Wednesday with an impassioned display meant to prod forgetful lawmakers to act. Several New York legislators are trying to reopen the Sept. 11 Victim Compensation Fund to aid thousands of responders and others who have gotten sick since the fund closed in 2005.

    But their colleagues have balked at the potential cost, leaving the measure to languish without a vote.

    In testimony meant to finally move the bill, New Yorkers admitted the cost is high, but said it pales next to the sacrifices made by people who answered the call on Sept. 11, 2001 - many of whom packed a House hearing room. "The solutions ... are neither easy nor inexpensive, but they are part of our country's moral obligation," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan, Queens). "We must take care of the people who took care of us." "There is really no reason to delay this any further," said Long Island Rep. Pete King, a Republican, who noted there are people ill from their 9/11 service in 431 of the 435 congressional districts. "We are so close to the finishing line," he said. "I really think it would be outrageous and disgraceful not to get the job done." Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are working on the measure in the Senate, where its future appears even less certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E40FDNYL35 View Post
    i hear you Mike..and now how bout this *****

    April 23, 2009 -- WASHINGTON - The push to win long-term help for the heroes of 9/11/01 inched forward in Congress on Wednesday with an impassioned display meant to prod forgetful lawmakers to act. Several New York legislators are trying to reopen the Sept. 11 Victim Compensation Fund to aid thousands of responders and others who have gotten sick since the fund closed in 2005.

    But their colleagues have balked at the potential cost, leaving the measure to languish without a vote.

    In testimony meant to finally move the bill, New Yorkers admitted the cost is high, but said it pales next to the sacrifices made by people who answered the call on Sept. 11, 2001 - many of whom packed a House hearing room. "The solutions ... are neither easy nor inexpensive, but they are part of our country's moral obligation," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan, Queens). "We must take care of the people who took care of us." "There is really no reason to delay this any further," said Long Island Rep. Pete King, a Republican, who noted there are people ill from their 9/11 service in 431 of the 435 congressional districts. "We are so close to the finishing line," he said. "I really think it would be outrageous and disgraceful not to get the job done." Sens. Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand are working on the measure in the Senate, where its future appears even less certain.
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    Billions for banks and wall street and nothing for the victims?

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    Thanks to whoever made this a sticky, and thanks Ray for continually updating this, I cant imagine how hard that must be at times.

    Pete King has been a friend of ours for a while now, and Im not sure it as everything to do with just votes either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl View Post
    Pete King has been a friend of ours for a while now, and Im not sure it as everything to do with just votes either.
    Occationally you might find a politician who's more interested in doing the right thing than photo opps.

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    May 4, 2009 -- It was New York's great good fortune to see the smiling face of Fire Lt. Martin Fullam on his release from the hospital last week after a lung transplant. "I'm the luckiest man in the world," Fullam said as he left New York-Presbyterian Hospital Columbia in Manhattan. While luck played a role in Fullam's survival, he is also a hero whose story reinforces the pressing need to establish a coordinated health program for 9/11 rescue and recovery workers. Fullam, now 56, raced to Ground Zero that terrible day and worked 10-hour shifts for weeks at The Pile, inhaling toxic dust and destroying his lungs in the same way that so many others destroyed their lungs. Robbed of 70% of his lung capacity by pulmonary fibrosis, he needed an oxygen tank to breathe. His only hope was a transplant and, miraculously, a lung became available. The procedure is costly. Fullam had the benefit of a federal program for Trade Center responders that has operated hand-to-mouth for years. At the same time, Fullam also suffers from an exceedingly rare autoimmune disorder that attacks muscles, called polymyositis. It shows up in five of every 100,000 people in the general population, but the Fire Department, with 12,000 members, has recorded six cases. Doctors are certain pulmonary fibrosis is Trade Center-related. But not whether WTC exposure triggered polymyositis. The question demands research and answers. Newly confirmed federal Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sibelius ought to take a close look at Fullam's history. For it documents why the federal government must get fully behind health care for the forgotten victims of 9/11. The effort needs proper funding as well as leadership by an expert who can monitor 9/11 health trends and treatment advances with an eye toward spotting emerging WTC-linked diseases. That person should be the indomitable Dr. John Howard. As head of the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, Howard was the first federal official to recognize that WTC rescue and recovery workers were really and truly sick. Named by President George W. Bush as the nation's 9/11 health coordinator, he advocated forcefully for monitoring and treatment programs - and was fired for those efforts. Howard was, and is, the best physician for the job.
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    I am curious to see the results of the examination of his old lung and could be evidence and proof that these lung problems are not BS.

    Glad he is doing ok. We need to do more those people who were there.
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    May 9, 2009 -- The long-delayed project of dismantling a toxic tower across from ground zero has fallen behind schedule again because of an electrical fire. The Lower Manhattan Development Corp. says the small fire in a power distribution box stopped work for most of April at the former Deutsche Bank tower. Contractors now say it will be January 2010 when the tower is completely dismantled, about three months behind its latest schedule. The 40-story building was heavily damaged in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks when the World Trade Center's south tower collapsed into it. Its removal has been plagued by legal battles, the discovery of human remains and several accidents, including a 2007 fire that killed two New York City firefighters.
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    May 9, 2009 -- Seven of the eight Q1 construction milestones at the World Trade Center redevelopment site were completed on schedule, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey says in its quarterly progress report released Monday. The quarter was also highlighted by the signing of the first private tenant at One World Trade Center, aka the Freedom Tower.
    Milestones for Q1 included a $339-million contract award for 22,000 tons of steel for the World Trade Center Transportation Hub, the installation of more than half of the 4,550 pieces of steel for the National September 11 Memorial & Museum and the start of construction on the Vehicle Security Center. Among other milestones, construction was begun on the Fulton Street deck for One World Trade as the future office tower reached 105 feet above street level. The eighth of the Q1 milestones, completion of pavilion/spot network footings that will support the memorial’s pavilion, was completed on April 24.

    By the end of the current quarter, the Port Authority expects to accomplish another 20 milestones, according to the report. Among these are: beginning the Route 9A underpass excavation for the future WTC Transportation Hub’s east-west connector; completing interior design for the memorial’s pavilion; building the shearwall for the north core of One World Trade up to level B1, the last level before grade; and completing a series of slurry panels for the WTC Vehicular Security Center.

    With the signing in March of Beijing Vantone to 190,810 square feet at One World Trade, the tower has reached 50% occupancy including prospective state and federal government tenants, according to the report. Vantone’s lease for 20 years and nine months will take effect upon One World Trade’s completion, scheduled for late 2013.

    In a letter to Gov. David Paterson that prefaced the report, executive director Christopher Ward wrote that the authority will continue to be confronted with "the challenges of rebuilding on such a crowded and complex site." However, he added, "Our greatest challenge going forward will be responding to the effects of an economic recession, which has depressed the city’s real estate market and tightened the nation’s credit market. Just as we have gotten the public construction on track, we have seen that, like everything else, the rebuilding effort is not immune to the economic crisis." The progress reports have been prepared on a quarterly basis since an assessment of the mega-project’s construction schedule was issued last October.
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    May 11, 2009 -- Silverstein Properties via Bloomberg

    Mayor Bloomberg plans WTC summit next week WTC project won't be finished until 36 years after 9/11 - PA Dream job for Silverstein: $21.5M - to do nothing at all! WTC survivors up in arms over Stump Towers plan The incredible shrinking World Trade Center will be cut back from five iconic skyscrapers to just two signature towers under a new Port Authority plan, the Daily News has learned. Bludgeoned by recession and a war with developer Larry Silverstein, the Port Authority is proposing halving the office space it will build at Ground Zero - from 10 million square feet to 5 million, sources familiar with the plan say. The sources say the agency's new vision for the site calls for scrapping one tower that would have been taller than the Empire State Building and nixing two others that would have dwarfed the nearby Woolworth Building. In place of two Silverstein behemoths, each designed by a British lord and soaring 79 stories, the PA would erect a pair of short, squat buildings no taller than four or five floors - coined "stumps" - that could be used for retail shops, according to the proposal. The vastly scaled-back site plan was disclosed to The News hours before Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver on Friday branded budget-busting delays and cost overruns at the 16-acre site an "embarrassment to our city, our state and our nation." Mayor Bloomberg promptly followed up by inviting all warring parties to a summit meeting this week.

    End of master plan

    Revamping the sacred spaces where nearly 3,000 people were killed on 9/11 marks a dramatic break from the original 2003 Daniel Libeskind master plan, which called for a row of cascading office towers to replace the 10.4 million square feet of office space destroyed by terrorists. Although the Freedom Tower will still climb to its symbolic 1,776 feet, and the Memorial will occupy the heart and soul of the site, the showcase buildings designed by world-class architects - on which Silverstein has already spent hundreds of millions of dollars - will be absent. "It's getting smaller and smaller and smaller," said Enrique Saurez, a dishwasher from Venezuela who worked at Windows on the World, where 73 employees died. "What happened to their so-called master plan?" What happened was a calamitous credit crisis that dried up bank financing for Silverstein and a fiscal crunch that has led to falling revenues at PA bridges, tunnels and airports - all amid an increase in borrowing costs. With a squeeze on cash, lenders, Wall Street tenants, the agency and the builder launched a new round of heated talks to determine exactly who will build what - and on what terms it will be financed.

    The result is a PA proposal that would:

    - Reduce Tower 2, a planned 79-story, 1,270-foot Silverstein building designed by Lord Norman Foster, to a glorified, prettied-up stump.

    - Effectively strip control of 71-story, 1,137-foot Tower 3, designed by Lord Richard Rogers, from Silverstein and reduce it to another stumpy building.

    - Abandon all plans for Tower 5, slated to go on the toxic Deutsche Bank building site, for the foreseeable future.

    - Underwrite about $1 billion in financing costs and rent abatements for Silverstein on 64-story, 975-foot Tower 4, which is the only building he'd get to construct.

    - Go full steam ahead on Tower 4 - but force Silverstein to surrender most of his development fees, insurance proceeds and fine revenues in return.

    The PA wouldn't comment on its specific proposals.


    "We're committed to rebuilding downtown," said Stephen Sigmund, the authority's chief spokesman. We said limited public resources were being directed toward "keeping the memorial and other public projects moving forward" - and that office and retail space would be built "to meet the market."

    Screws put to Silverstein

    Silverstein was initially entitled to build five buildings and 10 million square feet on the site, but agreed in 2006, under enormous political pressure, to surrender the Freedom Tower and one other building. He was also ready to give up one more tower - but not two. "Our compromise proposal - under which we would own two buildings with [up to] 4 million square feet - is fair, especially since the Port Authority has collected more than $2 billion from Silverstein since 9/11," said Janno Lieber, president of Silverstein's World Trade Center Properties. "Completing two buildings will assure that the WTC site is a finished, attractive and exciting place that helps - rather than hinders - downtown's revival," he added. Sources familiar with Silverstein's position complained that the PA is acting unfairly both in setting the financial terms and in mothballing two Silverstein buildings. A hefty chunk of Tower 4, the lone remaining building built solely by Silverstein, would be occupied by the PA, which would pay below-market rent, they point out. The agency is offering to hike its payments as part of the deal. New delays to the long-stalled project loom, these sources warn: The PA's plan for stumps - to support retail and serve as stand-ins for towers that could one day be built on top of them - could take some two years to redesign and reengineer. Since stump construction would take place in the same area as below-grade work on the $3.2 billion Transportation Hub, it could push back that project, now slated for completion in mid-2014, even further, these executives predict.
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    July 14, 2009 -- Larry Silverstein and the Port Authority are locked in a mortal impasse over financing for Silverstein's Ground Zero office towers. But "no way out" doesn't have to mean "no way forward." Properly tweaked, a proposal to speed up retail development could rapidly bring life and commerce to the 16-acre site. Retail developer Westfield Group, a consultant to the PA, proposes delaying two giant office towers -- while building two low-rise shopping malls, with a half-million square feet of retail space, on the sites. At first glance, the idea looks like a nonstarter. It needs Silverstein's cooperation when he's already at odds with the PA. Plus, canyons of Manhattan retail space already stand vacant even at prime locations. But a modified version of the plan could do wonders. Instead, have the PA build just one mall at the Tower 3 site (where the skyscraper would be postponed but not canceled) and then lease the space to Westfield to manage and sublet. To win Silverstein's assent for the change in plans, help him out with his financing problems for Tower 2. This would provide swift delivery of what Ground Zero desperately needs as soon as possible: a fully above ground project. (Much of the Memorial is deep beneath the earth, as is the Santiago Calatrava-designed "World Trade Center Transportation Hub.") And it would break the current standstill over building the office towers -- which is even worse than it appears. Four office buildings are supposed to be built inside Ground Zero. The PA is responsible for the tallest, 1 WTC (the former Freedom Tower) at the site's northwest corner, which it took off Silverstein's hands under a 2006 agreement. Silverstein still has Towers 2, 3 and 4, which are to rise along the east side. Steel for 1 WTC's core is rising very slowly. Silverstein is in an even earlier stage on Tower 4. He's eager to get Tower 2 moving, but can't start until the PA finishes readying the site for construction and financing is in place. Tower 3 won't likely rise for years. But the entire redevelopment clock needs to be reset. The PA has already paid Silverstein more than $100 million in penalties for missing its deadlines on delivering the Towers 2 and 3 sites in shovel-ready condition -- and it faces further charges until it finishes the job. Meanwhile, Silverstein has his own problems. The credit freeze has forced him to postpone even a smaller hotel/condo project a few blocks off Ground Zero. In search of financing, he's asked the PA for loan guarantees of up to $2 billion for Towers 2 and 4. But the PA counter-offered to help him finance only Tower 4 -- where he doesn't really need help: Deals are in place for the PA and city agencies to take space there, making the project far less risky. Why won't the PA bail Silverstein out on Tower 2? Forget its claim to need the cash for more critical projects: It just fears the competition as it tries to find office tenants for the tower it will control, the 2.6 million square-foot 1 WTC (formerly the Freedom Tower). In a leasing war, Silverstein would clean the PA's clock. His towers have better floor plates and are better located than 1 WTC, which also faces fears that it's the logical target for another terrorist attack. The PA might never agree to a co-financing arrangement that would undercut its own position. Now, enter Westfield. The global retail development and management company says it "stands ready" to spend up to $1.3 billion to build six-story retail "podiums" housing 500,000 square feet on the Towers 2 and 3 sites. The towers theoretically could later be built atop the podiums when the office market recovers. Yet the PA can't just make Silverstein's towers go on hiatus and put malls in their place. He totally controls the sites under a 99-year leasehold. Even so, a shopping mall could be built far faster and more cheaply than a 1,000-foot office tower. And Silverstein has already indicated a willingness to back-burner Tower 3. But a shopping mall at the site would force him to create a "sky lobby" above the stores when he eventually gets around to building the office tower -- a complex, uncertain redesign that might also make office leasing more difficult. Happily, a sign of potential compromise appeared last week: The PA offered to help Silverstein with up to $1.2 billion in financing for Tower 2 if he first raises $625 million elsewhere. It seemed a joke -- if Silverstein could do that, he wouldn't need the PA's help. But that $625 million happens to be the exact amount that Westfield said last year it would put into a joint venture with the PA to own and manage the retail space Ground Zero. The PA and Westfield seem to have something up their sleeves -- for example, agreeing to Silverstein's loan request if he lets Westfield in on the action. But, whatever's going on behind the closed doors of the propaganda factories, it's time for all parties to make concessions. Tower 3's short-term future is off the table anyway; the site could remain empty indefinitely. And putting up all the skyscrapers at once makes no sense in this grim economy. So it's in the general interest to build retail space there. Silverstein should let the shopping mall go forward at the Tower 3 site, but without relinquishing his right to build the tower later. Reconfiguring its design to accommodate the retail base will take some doing -- but the office floors can't rise for years, so he'll have time to figure out how. But Tower 2 must rise soon -- lest reconstruction stall after having restored little more than half the 11 million feet of offices demolished on 9/11. A deal to jumpstart Tower 2, holding off only on Tower 3, would yield 8.5 million feet. That's nearly comparable to the lost space, thanks to greater efficiencies provided by today's engineering. Which means the PA and Westfield must give ground, too. Westfield must accept only one retail podium. And, most crucially, the PA should do the building itself -- because the mall must go up whether store tenants are pre-signed or not. The PA can't simply sell Westfield an option on land that could remain barren if Westfield doesn't pre-sign enough tenants. So the PA must build the mall without preconditions, then turn it over to Westfield. A glass-wrapped retail podium actually in the ground will be a lot easier to fill than one that remains frozen on paper. Making all the moving parts mesh is a long shot -- one requiring good faith on all sides and forceful political leadership. But, considering the bleak outlook otherwise, does anyone have a better idea?
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    You can't tell the players without a scorecard............. Ray, THANK YOU for all that you put into this work. I'm not much on figuring out all the twists and turns here, but I can say that Westfield does a decent job in their area of expertise. Some years back, they bought a Mall here that was heading downhill pretty quick. Remodeling, Aggressive Leasing, REAL Marketing, and some Additional Floor Space, and now they've got a very successful operation going there..........
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    No kidding, hey Harve! I'd be lost without this thread.

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    Ray, THANK YOU for all that you put into this work.
    AGREED! Without Ray sharing these articles and his personal insight, I wouldn't know anything about this, as I rarely (if ever) see any WTC news reported elsewhere.
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    No kidding, hey Harve! I'd be lost without this thread.



    AGREED! Without Ray sharing these articles and his personal insight, I wouldn't know anything about this, as I rarely (if ever) see any WTC news reported elsewhere.
    Totally what they said.

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